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Thread: One Piece 681 Discussion

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    Re: One Piece 681 Discussion / 682 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by MiyamotoMusashi View Post
    I do not agree. The strength of Luffy´s opponents was never progressive. The first, "big" opponent Luffy got in the Grand Line was already a Shichibukai who he beat not because of his strength but because of Robin´s help, his own luck and of course his willpower. Then comes Enel whose DF can compare to those of the Admirals in terms of destructive power and defense + he probably has the best CoA because he combines it with his DF, in the end Luffy beat him because he was lucky to be Enel´s natural enemy. Next is Lucci who objectively speaking probably would have lost to the 2 opponents before but still is Luffy´s biggest challenge till that point. Finally, we have Moria who obviously is weaker than all 3 opponents before but through trickery can put the SHs and Luffy into a dangerous situation.

    So, there is really no necessity to deal with the "weaker" Shichibukai first before fighting the Yonkou. OP never really worked that way. It still could be that we get a DD arc before BM arc but not because of the reasons you gave. Personally, i would prefer this:
    Wano - BM arc - DD arc
    i agree, luffy won against his foes because of luck. crocodile .. even moria.. if those people at thriller bark never showed up, luffy may not have known to at least get shadows in him to fight against moria. nor would he know that once the sun sets, he'd be long gone in the one piece world.

    i think his real fight that was not based on luck was against lucci. his will made him win against lucci. heck lucci was even lucky he landed on a ship when luffy gear 3rd him.

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    Re: One Piece 681 Discussion / 682 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by SHeeDeD View Post
    who said they do not use haki?
    i said Sunji has no CoA, so it's a certain type of haki. im 100% that Sunji uses CoO.
    Quote Originally Posted by EddyBob15 View Post
    I think it's pretty obvious that Zoro and Sanji can use at least two types of Haki while Luffy can use all three.
    "it's pretty obvious" is different than what we know. what has been confirmed till now that luffy has 3 types of haki 100%

    Luffy stated Sunji and Zoro both have CoO in FI. Luffy also implied that Law, Sunji and Zoro can catch Logia User which means they can use CoA. it was implied in chapter 668 page 11.

    If sunjis uses CoA it's a week CoA haki.

    why if some1 uses haki his arm became black like luffy and Vergo?

    well my theory is that if a DF user uses CoA then the part he applies it to will become a black (in my case it will be just an arm) but if the CoA user is no DF user then his arm wont. However, if u look at BOA sisters, they are both haki user specifically CoA and CoO, but sadly their arm didnt become black.so the result is a fail theory. i never give up.

    I gave the theory a second thought and i end up with this new theory. it depends on how strong is ur haki. then i thought 'No way' Ryilayh (DKSR) his arm didn't become black. Is it possible that DKSR CoA is kinda week. yes it is.

    1- in Rayleigh's prime is different story but im talking about our current Rayleigh.

    A- remebmber what Ryligh said when Luffy was on the AS island. he told Franky or other SH member "dont worry hes on the island". so we can say the range of Rayleigh CoO is insanely strong. which a swordsman needs. becoz he relies on that and his skilles. it will be more lovely if his CoA is Insane. Dont forget that haki users will eventually specialise in a certain type. i think DKSR specialised in CoO.

    B-Vergo's CoA+Tekka is to much for sunji's week CoA haki. (tekkai is not needed i just added this in case some say he might used that too)

    2- final results, u are right Sunjis uses CoA but it must be weeker than Vergo's CoA.

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    Re: One Piece 681 Discussion / 682 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by SHeeDeD View Post
    "it's pretty obvious" is different than what we know. what has been confirmed till now that luffy has 3 types of haki 100%

    Luffy stated Sunji and Zoro both have CoO in FI. Luffy also implied that Law, Sunji and Zoro can catch Logia User which means they can use CoA. it was implied in chapter 668 page 11.

    If sunjis uses CoA it's a week CoA haki.

    why if some1 uses haki his arm became black like luffy and Vergo?

    well my theory is that if a DF user uses CoA then the part he applies it to will become a black (in my case it will be just an arm) but if the CoA user is no DF user then his arm wont. However, if u look at BOA sisters, they are both haki user specifically CoA and CoO, but sadly their arm didnt become black.so the result is a fail theory. i never give up.

    I gave the theory a second thought and i end up with this new theory. it depends on how strong is ur haki. then i thought 'No way' Ryilayh (DKSR) his arm didn't become black. Is it possible that DKSR CoA is kinda week. yes it is.

    1- in Rayleigh's prime is different story but im talking about our current Rayleigh.

    A- remebmber what Ryligh said when Luffy was on the AS island. he told Franky or other SH member "dont worry hes on the island". so we can say the range of Rayleigh CoO is insanely strong. which a swordsman needs. becoz he relies on that and his skilles. it will be more lovely if his CoA is Insane. Dont forget that haki users will eventually specialise in a certain type. i think DKSR specialised in CoO.

    B-Vergo's CoA+Tekka is to much for sunji's week CoA haki. (tekkai is not needed i just added this in case some say he might used that too)

    2- final results, u are right Sunjis uses CoA but it must be weeker than Vergo's CoA.
    I believe we only are allowed to see the color change when Luffy uses haki because of his devil fruit. I remember a discussion about the properties of rubber that when heated or hardened are able to turn black. It's a process called vulcanization I believe that this is what occurs with Luffy when he uses armament haki. This is just another example of Oda trying to apply real world mechanics in One Piece.

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    Re: One Piece 681 Discussion / 682 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by SHeeDeD View Post
    "it's pretty obvious" is different than what we know. what has been confirmed till now that luffy has 3 types of haki 100%

    Luffy stated Sunji and Zoro both have CoO in FI. Luffy also implied that Law, Sunji and Zoro can catch Logia User which means they can use CoA. it was implied in chapter 668 page 11.

    If sunjis uses CoA it's a week CoA haki.

    why if some1 uses haki his arm became black like luffy and Vergo?

    well my theory is that if a DF user uses CoA then the part he applies it to will become a black (in my case it will be just an arm) but if the CoA user is no DF user then his arm wont. However, if u look at BOA sisters, they are both haki user specifically CoA and CoO, but sadly their arm didnt become black.so the result is a fail theory. i never give up.

    I gave the theory a second thought and i end up with this new theory. it depends on how strong is ur haki. then i thought 'No way' Ryilayh (DKSR) his arm didn't become black. Is it possible that DKSR CoA is kinda week. yes it is.

    1- in Rayleigh's prime is different story but im talking about our current Rayleigh.

    A- remebmber what Ryligh said when Luffy was on the AS island. he told Franky or other SH member "dont worry hes on the island". so we can say the range of Rayleigh CoO is insanely strong. which a swordsman needs. becoz he relies on that and his skilles. it will be more lovely if his CoA is Insane. Dont forget that haki users will eventually specialise in a certain type. i think DKSR specialised in CoO.

    B-Vergo's CoA+Tekka is to much for sunji's week CoA haki. (tekkai is not needed i just added this in case some say he might used that too)

    2- final results, u are right Sunjis uses CoA but it must be weeker than Vergo's CoA.
    What I meant was that it's clear that they can't use Conqueror's Haki. Luffy's the only one in the group with that power. True, the Roger Pirates had two members who could use it (three, if I'm guessing right) so there might be a possibility.

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    Re: One Piece 681 Discussion / 682 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by ceasar View Post
    I believe we only are allowed to see the color change when Luffy uses haki because of his devil fruit. I remember a discussion about the properties of rubber that when heated or hardened are able to turn black. It's a process called vulcanization I believe that this is what occurs with Luffy when he uses armament haki. This is just another example of Oda trying to apply real world mechanics in One Piece.
    if u red my post clearly u will c when u apply a theory there will be a hole in it no matter what u do even fans sometime try to find holes in the manga but they cant becoz the god of this manga is Oda so u cant acually say u are wrong to Oda. My point is please explain Vergo then.

    ---------- Post added at 07:42 AM ---------- Previous post was at 07:37 AM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by EddyBob15 View Post
    What I meant was that it's clear that they can't use Conqueror's Haki. Luffy's the only one in the group with that power. True, the Roger Pirates had two members who could use it (three, if I'm guessing right) so there might be a possibility.
    i agreed with reread the post.

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    Re: One Piece 681 Discussion / 682 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by MiyamotoMusashi View Post
    I do not agree. The strength of Luffy´s opponents was never progressive. The first, "big" opponent Luffy got in the Grand Line was already a Shichibukai who he beat not because of his strength but because of Robin´s help, his own luck and of course his willpower. Then comes Enel whose DF can compare to those of the Admirals in terms of destructive power and defense + he probably has the best CoA because he combines it with his DF, in the end Luffy beat him because he was lucky to be Enel´s natural enemy. Next is Lucci who objectively speaking probably would have lost to the 2 opponents before but still is Luffy´s biggest challenge till that point. Finally, we have Moria who obviously is weaker than all 3 opponents before but through trickery can put the SHs and Luffy into a dangerous situation.

    So, there is really no necessity to deal with the "weaker" Shichibukai first before fighting the Yonkou. OP never really worked that way. It still could be that we get a DD arc before BM arc but not because of the reasons you gave. Personally, i would prefer this:
    Wano - BM arc - DD arc
    I agree for what concerned the first 3 main villains,but moria might have defeated lucci. and against crocodile both you and zehahah were right: robin helped him,and luffy was lucky that he had water... anyway,I was right: doflamingo is the next enemy!

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