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Translations: Gintama 507 (2)
He created Tobi early on, who claimed to be Madara and who looked more like Madara than Obito before the war. Everything pointed towards Madara, not Obito. Or at least, it pointed to an Uchiha not Obito.
Naruto froze in front of the chuunin once. That's because he was on his first mission where there was actual danger and enemies. Obito should have been used to missions where he was in danger, especially during the chuunin exam. There's a big difference. And even then, Naruto's at the top of his game mostly because of Kyuubi.
Izuna makes more sense than Obito for various reasons. While he may not have a personal relation to any character, it's no better than Obito only having personal relation to Kakashi.
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Considering the fact that people thought the leader of Akatsuki was Minato, it's pretty hard to trust the theories or the ability to deduce. <_<
@ murdock and M3J i see both of you think of obito as 'worst' choice and izuna/madara as 'better' choice. But none of you could argue that either izuna or madara is 'perfect' choice. Or even 'good' choice. They might have been arguably 'less bad', which depends on which points you insist on as reader...timeline, artwork or character relevance, but none are satisfactory. Just like obito is unsatisfactory. That is my point.
many things don't really add up, mainly on the whole Tobito thing, because its the where the manga is focusing now
This is true, but Naruto initially was very good, very very good.Quote:
Kishi showed plenty of times he can draw a beautiful story, and that's mosty why many, me included, are so disillusioned.
Let's not forget that Kishi birthed characters like Itachi, Gaara, Gai, Kakashi, Yondaime, Danzou.
It seems like he doesn't care anymore
Sasuke, despite what many may thing, was nowhere near Yondaime at age 16.Quote:
Obito, at 14, not only matched Yondaime in combat, but controlled Kyuubi with a 3-tomoe Sharingan, knew how to undone one of the most well-made Fuuinjutsu in history with an enormous seal ritual and basically almost destroyed a village by himself thanks to his actions.
And he possessed unworldy knowledge.
Kakashi and Itachi were nothing like that at that age, and the three I mentioned ( Sasuke, Itachi and Kakashi ) are amongst the greatest prodigies the Uchihas and Konoha ever had.
Tobi being that good, at age 14, is acceptable?
Look at the eyes. As you can see, the ones in chapter 238 look like the type of eyes Kurenai and her father had (another one of the theories before the reveal) and Kishi changed it in the second part. What did you say something about mistakes?
but if you take into account all the facts we know there are basically two at the moment Izuna and Obito - and Izuna makes more sence because he has better motives than obito and fits timeline ...
but lets compare (A stands for artwork, C for character, T for timeline) - lets use binary system fits (1) or doesn't fit (0)
Madara (A - 1, C - 1, T - 1)
Izuna (A - 0, C - 0, T - 1)
Obito (A - 0, C - 0, T - 0)
In my book Obito is the least logical choice based on the way manga was written
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Why were most of the characters that you mentioned interesting? Just because they were brooding and "bad-ass"?
Let's be honest, Naruto was always subpar in terms of proper writing (maybe without the Zabuza arc, that was pretty good overall). It was an action set piece full of shyamalan level of twists and poorly developed characters. Even the lore itself kept cracking under its own pressure all the time.
But it was fun, it was tense and interesting for me when I was 12 years old. Now, I mostly shut my brain off and enjoy it for what it is.
Well, Itachi did technically murder all the Uchihas at that age, which I think is pretty huge of an acomplishment.Quote:
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Tobi was never the same. He was goofy at first (like Obito), He had Sharingan next, he had a different mask and long hair while meeting Itachi (this might be Madara btw, they probably share the persona or something like that), he had the SAME different mask but short hair while fighting Minato, he had two sharingan eyes while fighting Konan and then he was finally revealed to be Obito.
Character relevance isn't the most important thing, Kishi can establish that at any time. Madara is still arguably the most relevant character next to Naruto because he helped make the world the way it is. He and Hashirama formed Konoha, and as we're learning now, Madara had a big part in Nagato's life and the Uchiha Massacre. If it weren't for him, Naruto might still have had parents. Tobi himself had no relation to Naruto whatsoever until we saw that he's the main reason why Kushina and Minato are dead, effectively robbing Naruto of his childhood and for a long time, happiness. So if Tobi is Obito, his relation to Naruto is still the same, with the addition of his relation to Kakashi and thanks to the Uchiha Massacre, to Sasuke. Tobi either way has character relevance regardless of who he is, at least to Naruto and Sasuke.
I mean, Kishi changed the rotating Sharingan tomoes to it staying still, and he either made a mistake or changed Itachi's Mangekyo design as well. Though, we can't compare artwork from Part I to Part II as it's pretty much different. Minato had tons of hair in Part I, but his hair was more like Naruto's in Part II.
If Kishi showed bag under Tobi's eye in one panel and one scene, and the rest of his appearance lacked bag, then I wouldn't have said he changed his mind. It would just be a mistake in artwork. But teh fact is, Kishi definitely removed the bag as he wouldn't make an error for this long.
I am not mad at Kishi, i am really enjoing this manga and its my favoite but Tobi=Obito is just crep if you ask me. But you need to learn to take what you get and enjoy what you can.
im mad because i can be mad
if obito mad and want erase world then he mad so why i cant be mad? i can i will be nothing you can do about it kishimoto sucks and obito sucks even harder
i mad because they so bad, bro
Your kidding right? Sasuke as of the current Manga is still only 16, with his emotions in check is likely the favorite to win a battle against Minato. He still has EMS (to show), and more power ups to come. (Rinnengan,perfect sasanoo). Not to mention the power he will gain from the scroll.Originally Posted by Uchiha_Blood
OP dude give me a break ... edo tensei ? i"m ok with ressing one guy ,2 or even 10 people
but when you go SOLO raid the world with edo tensei summons then no , just no
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but yeah you got the idea right ... kishi will keep giving him free power ups and he might become a super sayan bu the end of the manga ... even lameasses like suigetsu can find such a scroll . damn , probably the reason no one found such scroll before , onlly someone as mighty and intelligent as suigetsu could find such a scroll
carry on kishi bro
Sasuke is not stuck on the hatred stuff anymore, his current quest for answers prove that. The power ups are coming, whether they're free or not is a different story. By the time he is done powering up very few shinobi will be in his league and Minato will not be one of them, all whlie he is still at the sweet age of sixteen.
Suigestu found the scroll to give us a reason for team hawk to reunite.