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Translations: Gintama 515 (2)
Kenya can't do Hakugei, that's for sure.
Edit: those 3 points are probably Konomi randomly saying "I'll make Shiraishi win, but I don't want a total beatdown... Yeah, 7-3 is fine."
Edit 2: Now I'll discuss he same way you do. Jirou won without a problem against Kabaji, and Kabaji almost won against Nationals Tezuka... Do you see Kenya doing that?
I know it sounds like a stupid comparission, and that's exactly how the 3 points thing sounds to me.
Last edited by Hardy; September 12, 2012 at 02:42 PM.
Jirou's serve was handled really easily. It wasn't that impressive.
I'll break it down for you Eiji Kikumaru.
Fuji showed us all you gotta do to keep your serve against Jirou is keep him at the baseline:
Which is a standard skill for any Counterpuncher. Since their style is based on consistency.
Akutagawa fights back however, with his ability to reach the net thanks to how he serves.
And he can go even better than that with this:
So it is impossible for Kenya to give Akutagawa a 6-1 or 6-2.
Since Kenya is without a Special shot, and its not like he is known for having great technique.
They are in the same league. Kenya 6-3 win.
This is because Akutagawa has a play style that is weak against Counterpunchers as they hit they try same type of shot constantly and wait to counter, instead of going out with the aim to attack.
Anyhow, as almost anyone has already voted, it's pointless to discuss. I'll let him lose :/
Last edited by Hardy; September 12, 2012 at 07:12 PM.
Kenya taking 3 points off Shiraishi while one person FAIL to take any point off does make him better to me. It seem you and I have different metrics to decide this kind of thing, though.
" Shiraishi was beating Reg Fuji JUST BECAUSE OF HIS PLAYING STYLE, which was completely effective against Reg Fuji"
BTW, Shiraishi would beat Kenya 6-0, easily.
Read every single comment in this post, if you think there's something you can add, reply.
Care to explain how it is perfect against Fuji? Shiraishi ability is to use his basic ability to defeat his opponent fair and square. And yet, Kenya get 3 points out of 10 off him. Fuji get at least 4*5=20. 0/20. Well, that seems equal. Jirou have trouble beating regional Fuji getting a point off Fuji even when Fuji doesn't train pre-national. I don't see what's so hard to understand about this.
Fuji actually take 1 point off Jirou without using Hagukei in Jirou's serve game. He then proceed to use Hagukei. That does not means Fuji can't beat Jirou without using Hakugei.
Even if he CAN beat Jirou by only using Hagukei. Shiraishi shut down that move like it's nothing. Kenya takes point off that Shiraishi which Regional Fuji+national training+4th counter cannot do.
"Anyhow, as almost anyone has already voted, it's pointless to discuss. I'll let him lose :/"
You are not a very good reader aren't you? I don't care about this match anymore. We could keep discussing forever, I just don't want to.
I favor jirou and like him more, but i dont know or think his personality is to improve himself much, have to wait for new manga chapters to see if he plays.
i dont know much about kenya, but he did go through that losers training and he is fast. I think he played in the OVA
where seigaku visited shintenhouji's school. forgot what he did. people tend to favor whom they like and know more,
but i have to agree kenya wins, but by what margin and score I couldnt say.
As far as comparing how kenya got points on shiraishi and fuji ALMOST got completely bageled, Kenya has been playing with Shiraishi alot longer than fuji had, which obviously makes a difference. If you know what to expect out of someone, you will adjust your play accordingly.
Also, in the Fuji shiraishi match, once Fuji actually got serious and played like he meant it, he won at least one game without using ANY new counters. He then proceeded to win another game with just the evolved counters. Then he busted out the 5th counter and almost made a complete comeback bagel on shiraishi, as it seemed shiraishi did not score any points until he saved match point defeating fuji's 5th counter.
Another very small case against kenya is how he got completely slammed by Jasboru in the OVA match, which was referenced in the manga as well. And from what we saw in the doubles match, jasboru did not really have any stand out qualities, so if he bageled Kenya in a year where Yanagi says he was always slacking off and skipping practice, I don't really see kenya as that high of a player.
Overall, I think he is much better rounded player, and his speed would win him the match against jirou. I give it a 6-4 just because jirou was able to beat Kabaji, and play decent with marui, a Rikkai Dai member.
Kenya is probably one of the most overhyped characters, so I'm going to go at it with the angle of Kenya and Jiro being on the same tier level. Kenya has speed. And....that's pretty much it.. Everything else he does is mediocre. Jiro is a great volley, and he beat Kabaji. Kenya most likely would not be able to beat Kabaji with speed alone. We have seen time and time again that it takes more than speed to win a tennis match *cough Richard cough*
Jiro wins 7-5
Also, Fuji didn't need Hakugei just to seal Jirou. He used Hakugei coz he wanted to take the game more seriously.
Look here. He is sealing Jirou from using Magic Volley from Jirou's own service game in an instant with ease.
Yeah he came back with a better approach, but Hakugei can't be needed. Fuji came out with the intent to annihilate that's all.
Bottom line, you don't need a special shot just to prevent Jirou from hitting Magic Volley.
You don't even need a special shot to seal Marui's Volleys, and Marui > Jirou. So how on earth would you need Hakugei just for Jirou, who hasn't even improved since Regionals.
Regionals!Fuji handled it with ease.
Here is Nationals!Kenya mocking Regionals!Fuji
It isnt about if everybody voted, its whether somebody can disprove the other.
Magic Volley can be stopped easily Regionals!Fuji showed us.
So in the long run, a solid Counter Puncher should win.
I underestimated Jirou heavily here. 6-4 Kenya to win, or 7-5 Kenya to win.
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Kabaji will probably beat a lot of players. His power is very specific.
Kabaji will probably lose to Mukahi since he likely cannot use Acrobatic Play as efficiently as Mukahi. And Kabaji is a simpleton who is like... programmed and can't help but copy his opponent.
Nevermind, I found that page...I'm mindfucked lol
Edit: now I have this http://i22.mangareader.net/prince-of...nis-644331.jpg
So yeah, Fuji needed Hakugei.
Last edited by Hardy; September 13, 2012 at 11:19 AM.
This will be the same for Sengoku and Davide too.
We haven't seen them in action since Regionals lol.
Going by what we have seen, Kenya should eventually be able to overcome Magic Volley after a long game. 7-5 or 6-4 to Kenya.
But it definetely won't be an ass-kicking like others have said. They are in the same league since Kenya really has been portrayed as a guy with nothing but Speed.