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Translations: Bleach 595 (2)
MH could just make a guy who likes to argue. And for it to not look strange they could make the shop bigger, like a jeweler-supermarket (lol) with many desks. Baldy could just be waiting for consultation by the nearby desk and just happen to overhear their conversation. Even that would make more sense.
A comical way out of this situation is letting Baldy to suddenly come in like a customer just after Zepile's sudden entrance. Sth like:
Zepile (suddenly charging in): -Hey, he is lying!
Baldy (suddenly charging in): -I wouldn't be so sure!
Killua: -Why does everyone keep charging in?! Stop interrupting!
Zepile and Baldy keep arguing while Gon listens carefully.
Well not that anything could be better than the original version.
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Last edited by ZonikStrike; September 28, 2012 at 01:39 PM.
He was never admitting anything. He was bringing up points that show that this has fake gems in it which means it's gonna be completely useless. If Baldy somehow managed to prove that it was fake than he could take over the conversation...Scamming....Quote:
How would you know?Quote:
It's better to sound intellegent and make someone look stupid of what their claiming than saying outright lies when you barely even walked in to probe the "statue."Quote:
There is ultimatums.. your assuming everything is gonna go how you see it...doesn't work like that.Quote:
Can you prove it was taken out? Baldy was saying everything that has evidence of not being an actual authentic treasure.Quote:
He was referring to ametuears. Zepile isn't and amateur. He's a pro... So he knew how to handle the ordeal. If it was a noob Baldy would have taken hold of the conversation because that what scammers do.Quote:
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Yeah of course nothing is better than the manga.Quote:
All of these arguments over a character who isn't significant enough to have his own name.
The whole reason why i responded to this petty argument was because you guys were saying...Why didn't Gon and Killua just end the conversation?....
I said because Gon was interested in it......Than i also pointed out the Ben's knife situation...Now all of a sudden Baldy's motive is what matters now...not the entire episode....Interpret Baldy's demeanor however you want Gon LEARNED from it and THATS it.
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Zepile says that if the trove is genuin, there must be treasure inside. Baldy doesn't even say that there's definitely no treasure, he just asks him to prove it is genuine. WHAT IS THE POINT? When the easiest proof is just opening. Baldy's words couldn't make ANY customer more willing to sell the statue. It would make them to think about Zepile's words: "If he admits that the genuine one might contain treasure, then I should check..." For Baldy to make them sell it he must have convinced them that the treasure inside is complete bullshit and there's nothing like that at all. He never tried to achieve something like that.
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And I'll repeat myself. If Gon learned this information from a random stranger with a random scene, would you be happy? He would still learn it. What matters isn't only WHAT, it's also HOW.
Last edited by ZonikStrike; September 28, 2012 at 01:41 PM.
Doesn't matter. Nothing is done once the owner of the item thinks it is...Stong opinions and a bit of doubt in someone would surely make them think twice even if you know your right.Quote:
Scammers do anything they want to get what they want. Doesn't matter if they're at a disadvantage...All you have to do is plant seeds in people and people's opinons will change.Quote:
Doesn't matter at the end because GON was INTERESTED in the CONVERSATION.... Baldy's demeanor does not matter because Gon WANTED to hear their petty and "pointless" exchange.....Non of what your trying to say deters from Gon's INTEREST in the conversation.
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Zepile: Actually, there's treasure inside this trove.
Baldy: Well, are you sure it is genuine?
Zepile: Um... Eh... No, I'm not. Sorry to interrupt.
So what would be the common customer's reaction? Would he sell the trove, after hearing the stranger accusing the seller and the defending side admitting that the genuine trove might contain the treasure? The answer is NO WAY IN HELL, even a 12yo would have decided to think things through. Wasn't Baldy expecting that?
To make the things worth, he kept admitting Zepile's accusions looking so freaking confident that it seemed stupid.
So... Nothing is done, really? You think they could force the owner sell his goods even if he decided not to? Then why all the ruckus?
Of course it would make them think twice. But look. You can trust the random stranger and check for treasure, or you can sell the statue which possibly (maybe the possibility is small but still) contains the treasure, which was admitted by both sides. Would any single man in this world decide to sell it!? At the very least, they'd think twice, investigate more about this cause etc. But definitely not selling. I'm tired of writing this but, as these things are obvious, Baldy should definitely be aware that his speech couldn't make anyone change his mind.
-There's a treasure inside!
-Can you prove it?
Could change customers' opinions not to sell it? Heck no, by asking for proving when he was the one needing proof in the first place, he would only make customers doubt him just more.
Okay now. Let's assume Zepile just randomly started arguing with a passer-by about the contents of the trove and make Gon interested in their discussion. Would this still be okay for you? We still would get the message and Gon would still be interested as well as getting the crucial information. I'm not saying that the exchange was pointless plotwise, heck it really is important, but the change of Madhouse's makes no sense because BALDY has nothing to gain in this exchange he himself started.
I hope I made myself clear now.
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Gon didn't give a shit about good or evil, not about random or reasonable. O.o
It's not like there's much else to talk about anyways until the new episode is out.
Besides isn't in a way kinda of the POINT of forum---you know to DISCUSS the episode.
Discussing the episode would include criticisms and debate as well praise and postulation.
I actually find it credible to the franchise that we find it actually WORTH spending so much time over "trivial" matters.
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Baldy on the other hand I don't think is as much of a bully. He seems more competitive than Tonpa was.
So you think Baldy was trying to teach Gon something? Or do you think he was trying to scam Gon? Because those are two very different things.
That last part doesn't make any sense. Saying that's what happened so there's no other possibility is what looking at one side of it would be.
If you're gonna look at it from all sides you have to consider the possibilities. Of course we can't know what would happen for sure but
if a character is written well enough and one has understanding of the character then we should be able to somewhat figure out
what characters would do or even not do in almost any given situation. If a character can only exist within certain parameters then
that character is one dimensional.
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Actually I was the one who made the suggestion that Baldy is a competitive spirit and enjoys the sport of scamming rather than the actual benefits of it.
^Never said it was pointless to discuss about anything. Just pointing out that looking at it from the big picture, this debate centered around a character that appears in a couple of scenes in the episode, a few panels in the manga, and has no official name. Of course there's more to it than that, just thought it was silly to the point of this being discussed more than other episodes that I can remember, or more than it should be. By all means feel free to discuss about anything you want
This arc is about the Phantom Troupe/Kurapika not some scam artist in Yorknew. I think the way Togashi presented Baldy in the manga was fine
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Maybe I am looking too much into this. But it's fun so I don't care. Either way I disagree with pretty much the rest of what you said.
Yeah, Baldy isn't as important as Zepile but that doesn't mean he doesn't matter. He has to matter SOMEWHAT for Togashi to have
given practically a whole chapter. I mean not even Pokkle got that much screen time I don't think.
Baldy is hardly irrelevant to what the arc is about--getting money for Greed Island. Yes, the main focus is on Kurapika and
him wanting revenge against the Phantom Troupe---but that's not Gon's story. Gon's story is getting Greed Island.
Gon and Kurapika are in Yorknew for very different reasons. Remember Gon is looking for the Phantom Troupe--TO MAKE MONEY.
This arc is two fold
Gon= MAKING MONEY TO BUY GREED ISLAND
and the Phantom Troupe is the link between those two things and Yorknew is where it all takes place.
So what does Baldy matter?
Baldy matters because he's an obstacle to Gon making (more) money. Also because he helps to spark Gon's curiosity.
So finding out Baldy's motives and m.o I think can be quite valuable as we see just a small sample of what Gon is "fighting" against.
Baldy is basically the poster boy of the deceptive practices that go on all the time in Yorknew.
It was basically Togashi saying "Hey! This stuff isn't as simple as it looks! People like Baldy are out to cheat you."
I also think the way Togashi presented Baldy in the manga was fine--and I'm not sure where you get the idea I didn't.
My problem is with the adaptations which present a different and honestly I think flawed view of Baldy.