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From that,it is easy to assumed that there are still many Vice admirals that are on/close to the admiral level regardless of there title.So just like the Shichibukais,there should a huge difference among some of the Vice admirals in term of strenght.
About the Law-Vergo-Smoker issue,i would say that Vergo definitely is stronger than smoker and the best way to come up with that conclusion is to got back to the fight which opposed Law to Smoker.See Smoker didn't lose to Law because he was weaker than him.In the contrary when you take a look at that fight,just by observing the power of Smoker's attacks it is easy to see that he was definitely the strongest.So for me reason why Smoker lost to Traffy is because Smoker's technic and speed were the weakest.Law was the fastest and that is why he won the battle and it is also the reason why he(Law) lost to Vergo.Now,i know many of Traffy fans will get the excuse that Vergo has his hearth but if you take a look at this panel it should be clear to see that haven though he retrieved his hearth Law barely had the time react that he lost it again so much he couldn't see what was coming.
Law lost Vergo because Vergo have both speed and the strenght of a beast and it is the same reason why Smoker will lose to him.He simply isn't fast enough.
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Note: the Allegory of the cave is definitely on top three of my favorite(number being "Men become they think"from Earl Nightingale) thanks for the reminding
Last edited by Rody naruto; October 02, 2012 at 10:32 PM.
Again you!... I was going to write some sentence like that, and there I found yours. At least, I voted first for epic chapter, man... Anyway, I will add some other reasons,
This chapter is just amazing. But before sharing my views on the chapter I want to recall some general features of One Piece.
First, One Piece is not a manga about physical power or fights. Monet has pointed a key to reading the whole manga: “don’t confuse victory with fighting power”. Let me paraphrase it this way: “if you are searching for fighting power magazines maybe this is not the manga for you.” Instead of that One Piece is a manga about will and about the power of will. In Punk Hazard’s arc, this element is presence, for instance, in Doflamingo’s warning to his crew about Luffy possibly being superior to Law because of he has awaken Conqueror’s haki.
But, as a matter of fact, the not so graceful hero of this manga is possibly the most stupid member of the crew; which is just a remarkable graceful event. The stupid hero, again… what a theme! I will quote some of his performances from user kouch_lee:
To add this chapter to the list, remember that some chapters ago, Law was giving instructions to everyone to make the most of the 2 hours they have. At the moment, Sanji saved a lady, Nami and Zoro’s group found children and stopped their drug consume, (Frankie will bring back Thousand sunny?), though beaten by Vergo Law reached SAD production room, Smoker found Vergo, and Luffy … well Luffy, the most powerful one, is trapped in the bottom of Lab's plumbing… Come on guys, that is just funny and so One Piece. (And it is possible that Luffy will come back yelling and rising a little flying Momonosuke). ... So once again, do you want a smart protagonist, who doesn’t even or often make mistakes? This is not the manga.Quote:
Now, Monet is just superb, and the title is dedicated to her. Oda’s inspiration for this character is for sure an ancient character of some Japanese tales: Yuki Onna. This is a beautiful lady, a snow woman, who uses to embrace her victims to extract their lives, as a succubus, with a cold hug; (Monet tries to do it with Luffy). She also uses to move without leaving footprints (which is associated with her following Law without being noticed). Related to this, in some tales she uses to be a ghost, (what also matches Monet’s possibility of trespassing those hard snow hut walls.) Finally, in some ancient japanese tales she falls in love of young visitors to the forest (which I associate also to Monet’s flirting with Law, the possessor of her heart).
Here an ancient tale already quoted in first page of the thread, with some of these features (source):
To add more features to Monet, she is sweet, tender, and at the same time terrifying: “Mocha… please share with everyone”.
The moment with Law bringing back is just great, though I would like it better with an additional close up of Vergo appearing in the middle of the Room and another one of Law ready to move (as in a western duel )
I also enjoy Law evaluating his strategy in Punk Hazard: “it didn’t work” and confessing his miscalculation with a smile in his blooding face. Tuff guy, since he bravely had gave his heart to succeed, honestly telling the true.
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One last thing on Law's final words: Vergo gets angry when Law calls him Vergo. It should have to be related with their common past.
Last edited by ukimix; October 02, 2012 at 11:50 PM.
A>B and B > C does not mean A>C. I hate when i discuss strength like this. if i was gonna discuss it though. ill Provide the abilities for each char. then ill take stand/position.
And i Hope Luffy will take " I should think before I react" into consideration. In other words, change his personality a little like " strength does not mean everything i must use brain 2". and i think that's what Oda is trying to accomplish here.
Besides,if you read my post again you will see that i was talking more about speed and technic as a reason for what Smoker would lose against Vergo and when it comes to speed and technic it is the one who has a better understanding of it who will win.In that case if A>B and B>C,A is definitely superior > to C(at least 99% of the time as the 1% being the exception to the rule)
Last edited by Rody naruto; October 03, 2012 at 05:20 AM.
For those that claims that if A>B and B>C then A>C, have you ever heard of the game rock paper scissors?
One of the greatest things about this battle manga is that everyone can get beaten by almost anyone depending on the situation and the mood of that "anyone". Law had an ability that made it possible to interact Smoker in a way that Vergo might not. Surely, he has Haki, but that itself is not a guarantee. Personally, I hope that Smoker gets a decent fight now and that he wins or forces Virgo to flee.
Ummm, Law didn't lose to Vergo. Geez, Vergo was beating Law with Law's own technique. I meant Law give himself a freaking handicap by removing his heart. The 2 encounters with Vergo, Law has a huge freaking handicap. The second time, Vergo came out of nowhere. I meant Law thought Luffy and Smoker keep Vergo and CC busy.
Some people will always rank fighters, no matter how many times Oda beats their heads with REALITY BAT. Personally, I haven't seen anything that would make Vergo look stronger than Smoker. Sure, Smoker got fooled by Law's ability. Mind you, it's not some shitty devil fruit, it's probably one of most dangerous abilities so far in One Piece. Smoker is still a logia and has probably absorbed some Rokushiki techniques. Maybe even Haki? We'll see.
Biggest problem here is that Vergo probably has his heart too and he won't hesitate to use it. Law's only hope is to take advantage of their fight and use it to get his heart back and possibly get rid of both of them at the same time.
I think it will be a great fight and you can't predict for sure who will have the upper hand. Even if Vergo is stronger, it doesn't mean he can win and vice-versa.
Oda has really gotten a hold of brutality after the war it seems, we have been getting brutal scenes in One Piece before, but he just seems to get better at it! That was really the highlight here, this chapters can be "felt". It has richness and dept.
Another thing was Monet and her "death kiss", well not really kiss, but I would say hug, in one panel she looked like she was "seducing" Luffy in the snow. Maybe the technique did not fully work because Luffy was never entranced by women?
Vergo definitely has a step ahead of Smoker in term of speed and it should be clear just by taking a look at Law's fight against Smoker then Law's fight against Vergo.How can Smoker win against someone he can't keep up with!? This has nothing to do with rock paper scissors
Still i am pretty sure it is going to be a really good fight though!
Last edited by Rody naruto; October 03, 2012 at 06:58 AM.
So glad we can put to bed the whole "Monet joining the strawhats. She is a bad guy, i dont understand why people cant face the facts. Kinemon joining or no one. Cant wait to see SMoker and Vergo get it opn
Not a bad chapter at all!
Can't wait for the fight between Smoker and Vergo!
yeah That Angel face of hers while she was saying "Mocha..you can't keep it all to yourself,you know...please share with everyone." was just she gives me goose bumps(most because she remind me an ex but that's an other subject ) And Ussop reaction when he saw her was just Funny