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Huh, I never realized how strange that part was... yeah, there is something wrong in sending only the children.
Huh? The worst obviously is the missing character development of the main character. The 1-dimensional Hokage want to be idiot who dosen't even responde to the danger the world is facing and still rambles on about wanting to be hokage, which shouldn't be on his mind at all in this situation.
still all other characters find the time to clench theire fists and think "naruto ..." to themselfes after yet another Hokage-to-be-speach.....
Gai: .... natuto http://184.108.40.206/manga/mangas/Na...20now../15.jpg
Gai again: narutttttooo ... http://www.nanoda.com/public/images/...-Cosplay-3.jpg
QB: naruto ... http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs5/f/200...chuurikiFC.jpg
i really want Obito and Madara to win this war ....
I'm sorry but simply wanting something does not cut it in Narutoworld.Quote:
GUTS TO NEVER GIVE UP.
ATTITUDE TO LET EVERYONE DOWN.
CHAKRA TO RUN AROUND AND DESERT YOU.
STUPIDITY TO MAKE YOU CRY.
RASENGAN TO SAY GOODBYE.
PLOTHOLE A LIE AND HURT YOU.
If you meet that essential criteria, then what you wish for WILL happen. So far there is only one man capable to do so...Please welcome...Naruto! *claps*
Last edited by Ryr; September 20, 2012 at 11:47 PM.
Do we really believe the Suigetsu scroll finding thing is THAT bad?
Honestly, I think everyone's only pissed because they assume the scroll is gonna be the key to Sasuke's newest powerup, and this they scream bloody murder that "This newest power up came too easy! He didn't even do anything, he friggin' just let Suigetsu bring him the scroll! HAXX!!!!" I mean, take a look:
Yeah, couple of things wrong here: first off, niether Suigetsu nor Juugo had any idea what was going. They didn't know that they were left behind by Sasuke. And even if they did, they'd know why: Karin is the sensor, and they had to get out of dodge and find Danzou as quickly as possible. Could he do so while hefting Juugo and Suigetsu over his shoulders? Probably not. As for not giving a shit up to that point, the shit he DID give is what saved their asses. He gained access to Amaterasu because of the drastic need to save his team (remember the flashback he had of Team 7 just before using it?)Originally Posted by Uchiha_Blood
Suigetsu and Juugo both have fuck-all to do, and no home to go back to. Ofcourse they'd head back to one of Orochimaru's lairs. And Juugo punching a hole through a wall was for comedic effect. Would it have made any difference at all if they'd just opened a door? Infact, look below...Quote:
And this is the part that completely screws over everyone's reason for bitching about punching the wall down. Look closely at the bottom right panel...Quote:
The entrance to the "secret room" is RIGHT NEXT TO SUIGETSU. If they'd just walked into the god damn room the exact same thing would've happened. Everyone seems to say "Oh man, it's bullshit that they punched a RANDOM WALL down. Well would it have been better or worse if They'd simply walked into that DOORLESS entrance and said. "Oh neat. A scroll."?
As for why Suigetsu never attempted to use it... none of us know what it is. We don't know if it's Uchiha-centric, or if it's a weapon (I doubt it is). It may very well be something only Sasuke can make use of.
Yeah, that's covered too: Juugo speaks to birds. Dumb, I know, but he does. He uses them for reconnaisance. Think I'm BSing?Quote:
While it is unknown if Jūgo ever received any formal shinobi training, he is still a very dangerous individual, enough to warrant the attention of other powerful ninja such as Orochimaru and Sasuke, with both of them searching Jūgo to join them at separate times. Kabuto also indirectly praised Jūgo when noting the quality of Sasuke's former team. Jūgo is able to understand and communicate with animals, such as birds, and is able to request them to help him accomplish tasks, such as acting as scouts or gathering information they have already witnessed.These informations are shared in a great speed, allowing Jūgo to know about things that happened in a far away distance.
Such is the life of the underling. I mean hell, the only purpose he has in life is to search for the swords of the 7 swordsman and restart the crew as it's leader. Is he gonna do that on his own? The stronger Sasuke becomes, the stronger Taka becomes. Helping the team benefits Suigetsu. Not to mention, Suigetsu's threatened Sasuke's life on multiple occasions. And it's not like Sasuke's the nicest guy.Quote:
I think this is my only gripe with this whole scenario: how Orochimaru came back. Not the fact that he did, but the whole "tear a chunk out of Kabuto" thing.Quote:
So yeah, for all the bull that's been going on in the manga, Suigetsu finding that scroll certainly is NOT the worst. Feel free to take it off the list.
The only thing pending is the scroll, but again I discussed the how, not the why.
If you consider countless lucky shots and unexplainable situations as good writing and not the author being lazy and wanting an easy way out, its your opinion buddy.
They didn't return to Oro's lair so they could lay back and relax, they returned to Oro's lair to search for Sasuke.Quote:
A Sasuke that completely severed his ties with Orochimaru, never gave any hint of wanting to return in any place associated with Orochimaru and basically never doing something Orochimaru-related at all.
Why would they search for him there if they had Juugo's birds in the first place.
As for Sasuke giving a shit, do read "since we were raped by Bee".
Sasuke's madness began since that incident, remember?
That door is an hidden room, Suigetsu is just in front of a couple of stairs, we don't see neither a door nor where those stairs lead.Quote:
And I highly doubt Orochimaru's hidden room would have been accessable by a normal door.
It would completely defeat the purpose of having a hidden room in the first place
The reality is that Juugo randomly punched a wall despite being calm and in control when they fought samurai, infiltrated them, got captured, escaped and then proceeded on the lair.
That punch randomly opened the way to a hidden room containing a scroll that would enable Taka to dominate the world.
If so, then why he didn't in the first place instead of going to Orochimaru's lair?Quote:
That's what bothers me, how easy is to tear down a constructive answer with Kishi's mistakes
Sasuke doesn't give a shit about world domination nor the 7 Swordsmen, that much is obvious for a long time.Quote:
Sasuke's goal is to destroy Konoha, its nothing related to the Mist or world domination or something like that.
Last time Suigetsu threatened Sasuke was back at Oro's lair, after that all he did was talk big, you know, like Kiba. Kiba too sees Naruto as his rival, yet we all know how it really is
Where else would Sasuke have gone to regroup? If you and your leader split up and were gonna meet up somewhere else, and had no other way to communicate, then the logical step would be to go to one of the headquarters. As for why they'd search there instead of with Juugo's birds, he'd only need to use the birds if Sasuke wasn't at the place they expected him to be at beforehand.Originally Posted by Uchiha_Blood
There were literally no "missions" for Taka after that point aside from attacking the Kage Summit, so there are no other incidents of madness. So no, I don't remember. Only thing I remember is the summit falling apart and Sasuke leaving Juugo and Suigetsu to go hunt Danzou. Which furthers my point that they had no idea they were abandoned. Up until that very action they had absolutely no reason to believe that their partnership was in jeoparody.Quote:
What we see is that the entrance is DIRECTLY adjacent to the "secret" room. And I assure you Orochimaru didn't punch a wall down every time he wanted to enter the room.Quote:
Calm and in control? Juugo's very first appearance in the manga showed that he has random bouts of insanity. To say that it was an asspull that he decided to kill Suigetsu out of nowhere is straight up wrong. Not to mention the fight against the samurai was practically weeks... maybe months from that particular instance. The moment he chose to go crazy can't be called into question because we knew before hand that it was random. As for taking over the world with that scroll, if you're so adament that it has the power to do this, why, praytell, did Orochimaru not use it? There's a catch. Whether it's an outrageous cost, or something he himself couldn't succeed at doing.Quote:
Again, he had no need to do so because they didn't know that he wasn't at one of the bases yet. Remember, they were strategically using Orochimaru's leftover bases to resupply and rest after battles. Surely they'd check the nearest headquarters before searching for him again. Infact, Suigetsu stated this particular headquarters was one he "had been to many times". And remember: Sasuke had made a plan before entering the summit. Get in, get Danzou, get out. Now where did you think they were gonna go to regroup after Danzou was dead? That's right: one of the many bases they were using as shelter. And that's all Suigetsu and Juugo did. They followed protocol. They went back home to regroup with Karin and Sasuke.Quote:
Never said it was. I simply said it was Suigetsu's goal, and that said goal is easier to achieve with a poweful ally: Sasuke.Quote:
Exactly. Suigetsu speaks to Sasuke like he hates him, but in actuallity Taka are his only friends. Add that to the fact that he has shit-else to do with his life and it becomes obvious as to why Suigetsu chooses to follow him like a puppy dog rather than run around of his own accord. They're all S-class criminals. It's their only alternative.Quote:
While you make a very good point, its still pretty illogical to do so, and I'll explain you why:
we don't know how much time has passed between the summit and the war, even if they agreed to regroup on Orochimaru's lair, it would be pretty illogical for them to believe that Sasuke would've waited for them for that amount of time, considering also he left them to die without a second thought.
Also, having already Juugo's birds and all that, it would be way more normal for them to search for him that way, why would they risk going all the way into a hideout with no garancy that Sasuke or Karin would be there?
Considering Sasuke abandoned them, as you said, and never ever tried to rescue them, I believe a normal person would have a hunch about it.
Of course they weren't speared through their chest like with Karin, but also during the fight against Raikage Sasuke never cared one bit about them.
The complete opposite on when they fought Bee, for example.
I doubt the entrance of a secret room would be in plain sight on a corridorQuote:
And there are plenty of ways to access a hidden room, you know moving walls, mechanisms, all sort of cool things like that.
The very word hidden implies that its not accessable by conventional means
I'm not questioning Juugo's outbursts, I'm questioning the incredibly convening time to do it, when he seemed pretty controlled since the first time he had those outbursts without being in Sasuke's presence.Quote:
Still I can somewhat agree that Kishi can't be bothered to show every meaningless thing like Juugo going mad.
As for the scroll, I reserve judgment, for all we know is Edo Tensei, and Sasuke will meet some resurrected guy.
If the ally would give a shit about something like that, I would agree.Quote:
But Sasuke never aimed at conquering the world or something like that, meaning there never was an occasion for Suigetsu to obtain the weapons.
Before they were comrades, and Suigetsu did obtain Zabuza's weapon, so its perfectly logic.
Now, not so much.
I really don't see any version of Sasuke agreeing to do grunt work and help Suigetsu obtaining swords
Finding Sasuke in one of Orochimaru's hideout is the best he could come up with. You can argue that they are not very smart, but you were not.
You are essentially arguing that the story doesn't make sense because some characters happen to be not very smart.
Honestly at this point it's evident that you are simply complaining for the sake of complaining.Quote:
Do you want 10 chapters of Suigetsu and Jugo trying to find the way into the hideout? I doubt so.
Out of all the countless outbursts that he had experienced throughout his life, one of them happens to contribute to something significant.Quote:
It happens. It doesn't happen every day. What was your problem again?
Ninjabot already explained it nicely so I'll leave it there.Quote:
Sasuke has proven that he is willing to assist Suigetsu to obtain the swords, provided that Suigetsu follows him.Quote:
In fact, Suigetsu obtained his first sword thanks to Sasuke's knowledge about its whereabouts.
What was it about Sasuke not caring about the goals of his teammates again?
Look, I'm not even saying that the way the scroll was aquired was legit. All I'm saying is, compared to all the bull that's been going on in the manga it's not NEARLY as much of an asspull. Your thread asks us "which is worst". I'm simply pleading the case that this one is the least worst. Maybe my opinion would change once we know how dangerous the scroll actually is, but until said time... I'm gonna say the Obito stuff is the worst.
For me it's probably the "Kyuubi's turning into a fuzzy ball of joy " retconn that bothered me the most because it took this...
And turned it into this.....
It's funny because I always wanted Naruto and Kyuubi to find a way to co-exist and work with one another but part of why I wanted that was to see if those two could find common ground to build a true partnership on; but, in the end, the Kyuubi just "suddenly remembered" that all it really wanted was a hug.
That sucked big time to me because Naruto should have been able to find a way to work with it without altering the very nature of the creature. Naruto never really formed a believable relationship with it. It just suddenly became Naruto's loyal subservient companion.
Last edited by Jammin; September 22, 2012 at 11:52 PM.
I'm down for all of that except Kyuubi and Naruto. What's the fucking problem with them becoming friends? I mean, ever since Kyuubi first spoke to Naruto, them becoming friends eventually had to cross your judgmental minds. It was a given that he'd eventually turn him to good, like he did with most of the characters. I mean, that's one of the main purposes our hero has in this manga. It was expected and it's nothing to whine about, specially considering how unbelievably badass Naruto has become.
Last edited by GomuGomu_Getsuga; September 26, 2012 at 04:02 PM.