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    Re: Fairy Tail 301 Discussion / 302 Predictions

    Hmm i don't completely believe that DS can permanently transform into Dragons. I think that they can permanently transform into a hybrid human/dragon form, and that they can also temporarily transform into a full on Dragon while in battle or whatnot. The reason i say this is because it would help explain the relationship between Zeref and Acnologia and it also fits into what Arcadios believes, which is that Zeref turned Acnologia into a Dragon. Both Zeref and Acnologia could have been "brothers in arms" 400+ years ago while fighting against Dragons. Which could be why Zeref created Daemons in the first place. But once Acnologia and other DS's turned on their own Dragons and started killing all Dragons Zeref cast a curse on Acnologia that permanently kept him in his Dragon form. He did this because he wasn't powerful enough to stop Acnologia so he did the next best thing, turned him into a Dragon so that DS's all across the world would hunt him like they did any other Dragon. However in return Acnologia cursed Zeref in some manner as well.

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    Re: Fairy Tail 301 Discussion / 302 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Ifrit View Post
    That could mean a lot of things. It could also means Igneel is indeed the dragon who led the other dragons, and that Gajeel n Natsu are real dragons (First Generations).

    Although. I must say why Igneel is here wondering if humans can exceed dragons?

    Obviously they can, Acknologia did....
    It could be that vicelogia and skyadrum could be a DS turned dragons and they thought sting and rouge DS so they can kill them!

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    Re: Fairy Tail 301 Discussion / 302 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Duniak View Post
    taught him God Slayer magic. (Natsu: That means one's who taught you were Gods? Zancrow: Considering the fact, that Hades could be considered GOD you can say that). Until now we can't relate God Slayer magic to gods, because we know it's origin and it's HUMAN- Hades. How he did it, we don't know. Of course, we can assume Zancrow's abilities were like 2gen DS's and he didn't need God to teach him. But then what about Chelia? She is too young. The only thing that can make us think is somehow related to Zeref is it's Dark presence and strange superiority to DS Magic. Maybe that's what Zeref did during war to kill dragon's and DS's?
    Zancrow being taugh DS magic by hades does not refute the existence of creatures called gods. In context DS has been shown to be in principle the same as GS magic. This means that in the same way DS magic mimics the power and constitution of dragons GS magic in turns mimics the power and constitution of gods. Hades teaching zancrow GS magic does not mean gods do not exist, it means that hades taught zancrow how to mimic the power and constitution of said creatures. More so, with orga and shelia we have two other god slayers who also seem to mimic some creature that was most definitely not hades just as zancrow was not imitating hades.

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    Re: Fairy Tail 301 Discussion / 302 Predictions

    Now that I reread the chapter...there is an important thing IMO, that our 3 DSs didn't notice...that when it was said that Acnologia transformed into a dragon, he "bathed" in dragon blood...of course this has the obvious figurative meaning that he just killed lots of dragons, but maybe it's literal too? Maybe the drinking, bathing, killing dragons is what morphs someone into a dragon, not necessarily the extended use of DS magic...

    Of course maybe this is where Zeref comes in...a ritual concocted by him by using dragon blood perhaps?

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    Cool Well...

    I have started to connect the dots.

    Lumen Histoire, Zeref, Acnologia, the dragon slayers, celestial spirit mages and Rave Master gives us indications to what is about to happen.

    Now to the theory:

    Acnologia wanted immortality, he betrayed the dragons because by bathing in their blood and becoming a real dragon he would earn their long livespan but that wasn't enough.

    While DS magic eventually turns you into a dragon, it doesn't make you immortal, he needed to be something greater and hence he sought Zeref's help.

    Being a complete monster back at that time, Zeref made a deal to strenghten Acnologia in exchange of binding him to his call.

    Hence, he took the already draconified mage to the magic of one and made him a fulfledged demonic dragon.

    However, Zeref underestimated his new creation, Acnologia went rogue and destroyed all the continent until he was stopped by a stellar spirit mage.

    That mage (Layla?) used the celestial king to freeze Acnologia in time for 393 years until x777.

    While Acnologia was sealed, Zeref had a change of heart and began to work with the remaining dragons to prepare for the day when the Black Dragon broke free.

    The world was ravaged, broken by that war and flooded with magic this is where the Rave Master time manipulation comes in.

    To restore the world, the Gates of the Changing World were used to remove the real destroyed world, the Great Magic World, and replace it with the current world.

    Still, that wasn't enough, the people were too traumatized to move foward. Mages were ostracized from society and people were in the constant fear that Zeref would one day destroy them all.

    To put an end to this persecution, Mavis created Lumen Histoire (History of Light), this magic essentially rewrote history so that dragons became legend, mages became heroes and magic became and everyday occurence.

    Hence it is both light and darkness, whereas it is a white lie of light which creates happiness for all the people, it is also the darkness of truth behind's Mavis past with Zeref and her eventual creation of Fairy Tail.

    Back to the dragon slayers, they aren't 400 years old, they are time travellers from 400 years in the past.

    Natsu and his peers were prepared by the dragons in the direct aftermath of the great war, however, they would be sent from the Great Magic World in the past to the point in the future when Acnologia's seal finally broke.

    Hence, the truth is that the dragons didn't exactly abandon their children 14 years ago, the dragon slayers arrived 14 years ago in the present because Layla died of exhaustion and Acnologia finally broke free.

    But why did they not prepared the DS right of the bat and unleashed them directly against Acnologia?

    Because of two reasons: One was that there was nothing left in the world for the DS to fight and envolve, however, the main reason was that there wasn't an enviroment that could set them on a path different than Acnologia. With the dragons on the brink of extinction, the last thing they could afford was having another batshit insane omnicidal maniac rising against them.

    So, when the guild named Fairy Tail became the ideal place, Layla finally bite the dust and the three main DS made their coming to the new world.

    The reason Zeref needs Natsu to kill him is because he is tied to the living force of Acnologia, as long as the Black Mage lives, Acnologia has the demonic boost which makes him immortal and invincible by all standards.

    At the present moment, Zeref is evil again and the Eclipse plan is exactly to undo the change made 400 years ago.

    When activated, that gate will switch reality back to the Great Magic World where everyone is essentially screwed by demons and Acnologia.

    Acnologia has been flying the world aimlessly essentially because he is bored, as far as he is concerned, he was trapped in time for centuries and found himself in a new world without nothing worth his attention. When he realizes he has been tricked and that dragons are still alive, he will come after every living thing on earth and hence we have Levy desperate in a world full of demons and a batshit insane dragon overlord.

    I presume that Zeref's plan is to try and retake control of Acnologia, use him for his original purpose as an ultimate weapon to subjulgate humanity to his bidding, wheter he has control of it or not doesn't matter because everyone is going to die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1337 haxor View Post
    I have started to connect the dots.

    Lumen Histoire, Zeref, Acnologia, the dragon slayers, celestial spirit mages and Rave Master gives us indications to what is about to happen.

    Now to the theory:

    Acnologia wanted immortality, he betrayed the dragons because by bathing in their blood and becoming a real dragon he would earn their long livespan but that wasn't enough.

    While DS magic eventually turns you into a dragon, it doesn't make you immortal, he needed to be something greater and hence he sought Zeref's help.

    Being a complete monster back at that time, Zeref made a deal to strenghten Acnologia in exchange of binding him to his call.

    Hence, he took the already draconified mage to the magic of one and made him a fulfledged demonic dragon.

    However, Zeref underestimated his new creation, Acnologia went rogue and destroyed all the continent until he was stopped by a stellar spirit mage.

    That mage (Layla?) used the celestial king to freeze Acnologia in time for 393 years until x777.

    While Acnologia was sealed, Zeref had a change of heart and began to work with the remaining dragons to prepare for the day when the Black Dragon broke free.

    The world was ravaged, broken by that war and flooded with magic this is where the Rave Master time manipulation comes in.

    To restore the world, the Gates of the Changing World were used to remove the real destroyed world, the Great Magic World, and replace it with the current world.

    Still, that wasn't enough, the people were too traumatized to move foward. Mages were ostracized from society and people were in the constant fear that Zeref would one day destroy them all.

    To put an end to this persecution, Mavis created Lumen Histoire (History of Light), this magic essentially rewrote history so that dragons became legend, mages became heroes and magic became and everyday occurence.

    Hence it is both light and darkness, whereas it is a white lie of light which creates happiness for all the people, it is also the darkness of truth behind's Mavis past with Zeref and her eventual creation of Fairy Tail.

    Back to the dragon slayers, they aren't 400 years old, they are time travellers from 400 years in the past.

    Natsu and his peers were prepared by the dragons in the direct aftermath of the great war, however, they would be sent from the Great Magic World in the past to the point in the future when Acnologia's seal finally broke.

    Hence, the truth is that the dragons didn't exactly abandon their children 14 years ago, the dragon slayers arrived 14 years ago in the present because Layla died of exhaustion and Acnologia finally broke free.

    But why did they not prepared the DS right of the bat and unleashed them directly against Acnologia?

    Because of two reasons: One was that there was nothing left in the world for the DS to fight and envolve, however, the main reason was that there wasn't an enviroment that could set them on a path different than Acnologia. With the dragons on the brink of extinction, the last thing they could afford was having another batshit insane omnicidal maniac rising against them.

    So, when the guild named Fairy Tail became the ideal place, Layla finally bite the dust and the three main DS made their coming to the new world.

    The reason Zeref needs Natsu to kill him is because he is tied to the living force of Acnologia, as long as the Black Mage lives, Acnologia has the demonic boost which makes him immortal and invincible by all standards.

    At the present moment, Zeref is evil again and the Eclipse plan is exactly to undo the change made 400 years ago.

    When activated, that gate will switch reality back to the Great Magic World where everyone is essentially screwed by demons and Acnologia.

    Acnologia has been flying the world aimlessly essentially because he is bored, as far as he is concerned, he was trapped in time for centuries and found himself in a new world without nothing worth his attention. When he realizes he has been tricked and that dragons are still alive, he will come after every living thing on earth and hence we have Levy desperate in a world full of demons and a batshit insane dragon overlord.

    I presume that Zeref's plan is to try and retake control of Acnologia, use him for his original purpose as an ultimate weapon to subjulgate humanity to his bidding, wheter he has control of it or not doesn't matter because everyone is going to die.
    Your theory is nice, but sincerely speaking I wouldn't want to see the same solution of the "world's reset" in FT.
    With RM Mashima did a good job, but this solution would make FT, even if by a little, a copy of the already said manga.
    Now the time travelling thing is present in the current arc of FT, but I think that's a bit different; hope you understand what I mean.

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    Re: Fairy Tail 301 Discussion / 302 Predictions

    Well, based on what we saw during the tenrou events it does not seem like zeref controls acknologia at all. More than that, it seems like acknologia is actually the boss.

    Interestingly, we already did kinda know DS magic turned you into a dragon. Natsu has gotten scales at times and the fake DSs have gotten scales a number of times. DF itself has been called the very power of dragons and it usually furthers the transformation. Based on that it was not inconceivable that a fully formed DS would be extremely dragon like. I guess transforming into a full blown dragon is a bit much though.

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    Re: Fairy Tail 301 Discussion / 302 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by benelori View Post
    Now that I reread the chapter...there is an important thing IMO, that our 3 DSs didn't notice...that when it was said that Acnologia transformed into a dragon, he "bathed" in dragon blood...of course this has the obvious figurative meaning that he just killed lots of dragons, but maybe it's literal too? Maybe the drinking, bathing, killing dragons is what morphs someone into a dragon, not necessarily the extended use of DS magic...

    Of course maybe this is where Zeref comes in...a ritual concocted by him by using dragon blood perhaps?
    Lets take dragon force, it has the makings for humans transforming to dragons. And even from in chapter 1, DS is explained that it is a magic that transform users constitution to dragon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zerocooldx View Post
    Hmm i don't completely believe that DS can permanently transform into Dragons. I think that they can permanently transform into a hybrid human/dragon form, and that they can also temporarily transform into a full on Dragon while in battle or whatnot. The reason i say this is because it would help explain the relationship between Zeref and Acnologia and it also fits into what Arcadios believes, which is that Zeref turned Acnologia into a Dragon. Both Zeref and Acnologia could have been "brothers in arms" 400+ years ago while fighting against Dragons. Which could be why Zeref created Daemons in the first place. But once Acnologia and other DS's turned on their own Dragons and started killing all Dragons Zeref cast a curse on Acnologia that permanently kept him in his Dragon form. He did this because he wasn't powerful enough to stop Acnologia so he did the next best thing, turned him into a Dragon so that DS's all across the world would hunt him like they did any other Dragon. However in return Acnologia cursed Zeref in some manner as well.
    You can believe what you want but it doesn't change the canon fact that Acnologia was once a human DS that turned into that monster dragon form.

    Acnologia and Zeref don't have to have a relationship at all.

    Anyways awesome chapter Mashima. I really liked the explanation and more things are getting clearer. Really looking forward to the next chapter and what the knight is going to tell the gang. Also how/why is Lucy a major part of the Eclipse plan and does the plan involve her giving up her life.

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    Re: Fairy Tail 301 Discussion / 302 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by crimsonlink310 View Post
    You can believe what you want but it doesn't change the canon fact that Acnologia was once a human DS that turned into that monster dragon form.

    Acnologia and Zeref don't have to have a relationship at all.

    Anyways awesome chapter Mashima. I really liked the explanation and more things are getting clearer. Really looking forward to the next chapter and what the knight is going to tell the gang. Also how/why is Lucy a major part of the Eclipse plan and does the plan involve her giving up her life.
    Who is disputing that Acnologia was a human DS who turned into a Dragon? And Acnologia and Zeref do have some type of a relationship, thats pretty much indisputable at this point. Zeref calling out the name Acnologia as a reflex it seemed and then Acnologia showing up to erase the location he was at didn't just happen by coincidence. And now we see Arcadios state that his research has led him to believe that Zeref turned Acnologia into a Dragon. There is a relationship between the two, and one that isn't based on good terms. Otherwise Zeref could have probably called Acnologia off of Tenrou Island and FT thus saving both.

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    Re: Fairy Tail 301 Discussion / 302 Predictions

    The part on "Bathing in Dragon Blood" reminded me on a German epic poem "Nibelungenlied" - or at least the summary I can remember - from the Middle Ages: A dragon-slayer called Siegfried bathed in the blood of a dragon he killed to gain an invincible skin so he is unaffected by all possible attacks. Did Hiro Mashima just reinterpret that "Nibelungenlied"? ö_Ö

    However, there's a turn of events in this Lied .... But I'm not going to tell you here, as it may turn out to become a spoiler for Fairy Tail plot.

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    Re: Fairy Tail 301 Discussion / 302 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by crimsonlink310 View Post
    You can believe what you want but it doesn't change the canon fact that Acnologia was once a human DS that turned into that monster dragon form.

    Acnologia and Zeref don't have to have a relationship at all.

    Anyways awesome chapter Mashima. I really liked the explanation and more things are getting clearer. Really looking forward to the next chapter and what the knight is going to tell the gang. Also how/why is Lucy a major part of the Eclipse plan and does the plan involve her giving up her life.
    Acnologia and Zeref might in fact have an hostile relationship, acnologia might have went to the island to kill zeref.

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    "Hmm i don't completely believe that DS can permanently transform into Dragons. I think that they can permanently transform into a hybrid human/dragon form, and that they can also temporarily transform into a full on Dragon while in battle or whatnot."
    You are disputing Acnologia turning into a dragon from a human as permanent and are instead mentioning a human/dragon hybrid as the permanent form. Acnologia bathed in Dragon blood and became the King of Dragons from his new dragon form. Arcadios is still suspicious so I wouldn't take his word as truth that Zeref caused Acnologia to become a real dragon using his dark book of spells.

    Especially when Arcadios called Zeref, "Lord Zeref" the first time we saw him and is now talking about getting rid of Zeref.

    BTW joshua019, if Acnologia really did have a hostile relationship with Zeref then he could have easily hunted him down considering the Dragon's sense of smell and how close Zeref was to the island.

    Also "Acnologia and Zeref don't have to have a relationship at all" as I've said before, I meant it in a brothers in arm or family kind of relationship. They could be allies or enemies and I might be proven wrong. But I won't hold my breath for that.

    Zeref was know as the darkest mage of the ages from 400 years ago while Dragons were around. How he was defeated or sealed has yet to be revealed and that is the most pressing concern to me right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ifrit View Post
    Simply Epic. I was worried about how the story of the dragons is gonna turn, but now I'm not.

    I wonder if Zeref, Natsu and Acknologia are one family. Like Zeref being the father, and Natsu n Acknologia brothers.

    What Gildartz meant by "if Natsu, one day ....." is if natsu one day become a real dragon. Gildartz know more about the dragons than what he shows, same for Makarov. Igneel is the Dragon who wanted to have peace with the humans I guess, too bad it wasn't mentioned.

    I still don't trust that Guard, and Yukino has no idea what she is doing.

    hehe, It does make you wonder now. If Igneel is not the one who wanted peace with a humans, and he was just a human that also turned into a dragon. Perhaps he is actually Natsu true father.
    I'm getting that idea now too. Honestly its the only explanation that makes sense. We know Natsu and other true DS show up as older than 80 when magically examined, whether that's because their magic is ancient or some other reason - we don't know.

    The way I see it, the dragon slayers are reincarnations of dragons as humans or they're all a lot older than they think. Still soooooooooooo many questions. The fact that Zeref knows Natsu is a very good indication of things. Really curious where Mashima is going with this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crimsonlink310 View Post
    You are disputing Acnologia turning into a dragon from a human as permanent and are instead mentioning a human/dragon hybrid as the permanent form. Acnologia bathed in Dragon blood and became the King of Dragons from his new dragon form. Arcadios is still suspicious so I wouldn't take his word as truth that Zeref caused Acnologia to become a real dragon using his dark book of spells.

    Especially when Arcadios called Zeref, "Lord Zeref" the first time we saw him and is now talking about getting rid of Zeref.

    BTW joshua019, if Acnologia really did have a hostile relationship with Zeref then he could have easily hunted him down considering the Dragon's sense of smell and how close Zeref was to the island.

    Also "Acnologia and Zeref don't have to have a relationship at all" as I've said before, I meant it in a brothers in arm or family kind of relationship. They could be allies or enemies and I might be proven wrong. But I won't hold my breath for that.

    Zeref was know as the darkest mage of the ages from 400 years ago while Dragons were around. How he was defeated or sealed has yet to be revealed and that is the most pressing concern to me right now.
    It seemed to me that Zeref summoned acnologia to his location, it was as if he was fighting the darkness and broke and gave in. @_@ TOO MANY QUESTIONS. DAMN IT.

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    Put it in spoiler tags for such a long post. I liked the post but I just can't see them being time travelers, I think the Edolas arc ruled that out entirely. Edolas clearly had history with dragons, hence the ancient knowledge about their powers and the dragon slayers. So I would add one part. Edolas may have been a part of the world and was ripped off at some point in the battle of the Dragons, hence why the magic power in that land was limited, because it wasn't a real world to begin with but part of the main one. Anyways that's just a slight possibility. I've been trying to figure out the point to that arc, it had a build up with Mystogan and the explanation of having 2 Gerards, then the biggest thing to me is Grandine and Porlyuska. She's a human counterpart to a dragon. SEE where this is going? But the reason I think Edolas arc ruled out your idea about them being 400 year time travelers, is that the duplicates in edolas were the same age (except for Wendy).
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    Re: Fairy Tail 301 Discussion / 302 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by crimsonlink310 View Post
    You are disputing Acnologia turning into a dragon from a human as permanent and are instead mentioning a human/dragon hybrid as the permanent form. Acnologia bathed in Dragon blood and became the King of Dragons from his new dragon form. Arcadios is still suspicious so I wouldn't take his word as truth that Zeref caused Acnologia to become a real dragon using his dark book of spells.
    I am disputing how it is that Acnologia become a full on Dragon, and i don't believe that DS's by themselves can permanently turn into Dragons. Now its up to you whether or not you want to believe a certain character. It could just as easily be argued that what happened to Acnologia was exaggerated to improve his myth/legend. Which is highly likely given the fact that it was stated that he was "Bathing in Dragon Blood", thats never going to be shown in a Shounen manga. Also like i said there was a relationship between these two and they undoubtedly knew each other in one form or another 400 years ago. They were most likely badass human #1 and badass human #2 who waged war against the Dragons for their survival. Also its becoming pretty clear that Zeref isn't the "evil/bad guy" that he has been portrayed to be, and every time we have seen him this becomes more and more clear. To me Arcadios calling Zeref Lord Zeref means absolutely nothing until we actually see what the Eclipse Plan is and if Arcadios has ever even met Zeref. Mashima is infamous for introducing characters and initially painting them as "bad guys". Look at Laxus, Gajeel, Sting, Rogue and the list goes on.

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