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Thread: [Round 1 - Team 6 vs Team 10 Doubles 1] Shishido/Tanishi vs Oshitari Y./Kaidou

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    [Round 1 - Team 6 vs Team 10 Doubles 1] Shishido/Tanishi vs Oshitari Y./Kaidou



    Doubles 1Shishido Ryou
    Tanishi Kei
    Oshitari Yuushi
    Kaidou Kaoru
    Title - Man of 1000 Techniques
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    SchoolHyoutei Gakuen 3rd Year
    Higa 3rd Year
    Hyoutei Gakuen 3rd Year
    Seishun Gakuen 2nd Year
    Height172 cm
    193 cm
    178 cm
    173 cm
    Weight60 kg
    106 kg
    64 kg
    57 kg
    Dominant HandRight
    Right
    Right
    Right
    PlaystyleOffensive Counter Puncher
    Serve and Volley
    All Rounder
    Defensive Counter Puncher
    TechniquesUltra High Speed Rising Counter
    Inducement Formation
    Carioca Step
    Shukuchiou
    Big Bang
    Higuma Otoshi
    Fake and Drop
    Flat Approach Shot
    Side Spin Approach Shot
    Direct Flat Return Drive
    Sealed Heart
    Snake
    Boomerang Snake
    Tornado Snake
    Gyro Laster

    Serve order: Kaidou -> Tanishi -> Oshitari -> Shishido


    This round ends on Thursday, September 27th 8 PM GMT.


    Cast your vote and discuss (logically) why you voted for who you voted for. Have fun, but keep it clean!
    Last edited by Kaoz; September 23, 2012 at 04:40 PM.

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    Re: [Round 1 - Team 6 vs Team 10 Doubles 1] Shishido/Tanishi vs Oshitari Y./Kaidou

    Pile Mirage Aint working with this composition.

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    Re: [Round 1 - Team 6 vs Team 10 Doubles 1] Shishido/Tanishi vs Oshitari Y./Kaidou

    So Kaidoh's devil mode is sealed? Would Kirihara devil mode be sealed too? Because I think both of them now have a reason not to use their devil mode+ Kirihara also can't use angel mode. What should I presume here?
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    Re: [Round 1 - Team 6 vs Team 10 Doubles 1] Shishido/Tanishi vs Oshitari Y./Kaidou

    Quote Originally Posted by -Ken- View Post
    So Kaidoh's devil mode is sealed? Would Kirihara devil mode be sealed too? Because I think both of them now have a reason not to use their devil mode+ Kirihara also can't use angel mode. What should I presume here?
    The way Kaoz sees it, Ken, is that Kaidou will never again use DM. Akaya has SDM (Sane DM) now, so he'd probably never use original DM.

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    Re: [Round 1 - Team 6 vs Team 10 Doubles 1] Shishido/Tanishi vs Oshitari Y./Kaidou

    Quote Originally Posted by FrostyMouse View Post
    The way Kaoz sees it, Ken, is that Kaidou will never again use DM. Akaya has SDM (Sane DM) now, so he'd probably never use original DM.
    And that Sane Devil Mode cannot be used unless he's in double with Shiraishi. In all other condition, they're actually the same. Their teammates just don't want them to use it.
    Most of the thing I post is probably assumption if it's not a fact that I support using some evidence from the manga.

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    Re: [Round 1 - Team 6 vs Team 10 Doubles 1] Shishido/Tanishi vs Oshitari Y./Kaidou

    Quote Originally Posted by -Ken- View Post
    And that Sane Devil Mode cannot be used unless he's in double with Shiraishi. In all other condition, they're actually the same. Their teammates just don't want them to use it.
    No, it's only Angel Mode that can only be used with Shiraishi. Nothing about SDM ever says that it can only be used with Shiraishi.

    This isn't the place to really be discussing Akaya though.

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    Re: [Round 1 - Team 6 vs Team 10 Doubles 1] Shishido/Tanishi vs Oshitari Y./Kaidou

    Quote Originally Posted by Tsukihime no uta View Post
    Pile Mirage Aint working with this composition.
    Inducement Formation is the on where they limit the places the opponent can hit to.

    Quote Originally Posted by -Ken- View Post
    So Kaidoh's devil mode is sealed? Would Kirihara devil mode be sealed too? Because I think both of them now have a reason not to use their devil mode+ Kirihara also can't use angel mode. What should I presume here?
    In general those technique lists are the ones I would consider for this match. If you can make an argument for why there should be others (or why one of them doesn't work), feel free to.

    Quote Originally Posted by FrostyMouse View Post
    No, it's only Angel Mode that can only be used with Shiraishi. Nothing about SDM ever says that it can only be used with Shiraishi.
    SDM is a direct extension of AM and can't be reached without it. Hence it's sealed as Ken said.

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    Re: [Round 1 - Team 6 vs Team 10 Doubles 1] Shishido/Tanishi vs Oshitari Y./Kaidou

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaoz View Post
    SDM is a direct extension of AM and can't be reached without it. Hence it's sealed as Ken said.
    I'm going to disagree with that as I haven't seen any proof of that, but I don't have time to argue about it at the moment.

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    Re: [Round 1 - Team 6 vs Team 10 Doubles 1] Shishido/Tanishi vs Oshitari Y./Kaidou

    Kaidou/Yuushi win this. Tanishi has nothing appart from big bang but I see Kaidou and Yuushi returning it eventually. Gyro laser is too much for Tanishi/Sishido. Yuushi can close his mind, Kaidou/Yuushi win 6-3 or 6-2.

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    Re: [Round 1 - Team 6 vs Team 10 Doubles 1] Shishido/Tanishi vs Oshitari Y./Kaidou

    In any case, I think Kaidoh win this. Straight or curve actually might not work here, due to Shishido and Tanishi step. This plus Tanishi speed that he shows when he caught of all of the HS's balls might means he can even return Gryo laser. But I'm just going to argue that the devil mode will boost Kaidoh stats enough (Well, we saw this is a way it boost Kirihara) that it'll improve them even more.
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    Re: [Round 1 - Team 6 vs Team 10 Doubles 1] Shishido/Tanishi vs Oshitari Y./Kaidou

    Quote Originally Posted by FrostyMouse View Post
    I'm going to disagree with that as I haven't seen any proof of that, but I don't have time to argue about it at the moment.
    Konomi says so in an interview in one of the PairPuri's. I pulled Kaoz up on that a long while ago, but the proof was in the interview.
    It sucks though. That AM!Kirihara is exclusive to pairing with Shiraishi, who imo is much better off in Singles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Ken- View Post
    In any case, I think Kaidoh win this. Straight or curve actually might not work here, due to Shishido and Tanishi step. This plus Tanishi speed that he shows when he caught of all of the HS's balls might means he can even return Gryo laser. But I'm just going to argue that the devil mode will boost Kaidoh stats enough (Well, we saw this is a way it boost Kirihara) that it'll improve them even more.
    Lol no way.
    DM!Kirihara can't return it. Gyro Laser is too much. If DM!Kirihara can't, Tanishi has no chance.

    Yeah, if DM!Kaidoh appeared, it will be complete distruction. DM lifts speed. Kaidoh appears to be anything but fast. Not someone who seems quick.
    If Kaidoh was fast, he would be extremely dangerous. Like most players, dramatically lifting their speed stat would change a lot.

    But I think its right that Kaoz assumes DM!Kaidoh is sealed away. DM!Kaidoh only appeared coz Konomi wanted to give PoT a badass ending arc, and he pulled it off.

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    Re: [Round 1 - Team 6 vs Team 10 Doubles 1] Shishido/Tanishi vs Oshitari Y./Kaidou

    Quote Originally Posted by -Ken- View Post
    In any case, I think Kaidoh win this. Straight or curve actually might not work here, due to Shishido and Tanishi step. This plus Tanishi speed that he shows when he caught of all of the HS's balls might means he can even return Gryo laser. But I'm just going to argue that the devil mode will boost Kaidoh stats enough (Well, we saw this is a way it boost Kirihara) that it'll improve them even more.
    Ken, Kaidoh's Gyro laser is too much for them, and now more that he probably boosted his abilities from Mountain training. That shot worked perfectly against REM!Kirihara and Yanagi in national finals. I don't think Tanishi could react to it, Shishido for sure won't return it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LetalHawk View Post
    Ken, Kaidoh's Gyro laser is too much for them, and now more that he probably boosted his abilities from Mountain training. That shot worked perfectly against REM!Kirihara and Yanagi in national finals. I don't think Tanishi could react to it, Shishido for sure won't return it.
    I doubt his Mountain training boosted that specific technique however. I think its as fast as it can get. Next level of speed is probably TMnK.

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    Re: [Round 1 - Team 6 vs Team 10 Doubles 1] Shishido/Tanishi vs Oshitari Y./Kaidou

    Shishido/Tanishi wins
    this is a hard one, because we barley got to see these players play in the manga.

    but i'll say since both shishido and big guy went to secret training camp, they got stronger and bonded in a non close way by experiencing the camp.
    thus, they will have better teamwork and chemistry and with their upgrades should defeat the other pair.

    sure kaidoh too went to the training, but I think its hard for him to get along as a team ie team chemistry
    with oshitari. he can lose his cool easily.

    of course this is all subjective assumption. but at least the fat dude can hit multiple balls at once?

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    Re: [Round 1 - Team 6 vs Team 10 Doubles 1] Shishido/Tanishi vs Oshitari Y./Kaidou

    Yes Tanishi ca, but I think Kaidou also can. he sure improved a great deal, Yuushi improved everyday like every other MS in the camp. Yuushi is above Shishido and probably Tanishi, Kaidou no doubt about it.

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