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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2012-2013] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 4

    As far as I know there are no official sources of how the TOC works so you'll have a tough time proving its legitimacy. Bakuman is just a manga so it's not an official source. I think Oda jsut said something like the editor's word is greater than the total number of votes or something like that?

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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2012-2013] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 4

    In Bakuman their system is based off of ACTUAL results that the editors tell the authors. That's based on the early results which come out a couple days after the issue goes on sale and the real deal which comes out a week after. Those are slightly skewed for the TOC, what with color pages and all. But the TOC is more of a guideline for popularity, rather than specific scientific data. Plus, even the real deals are based off of only a 1,000 vote sample.

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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2012-2013] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 4

    Quote Originally Posted by kewl0210 View Post
    In Bakuman their system is based off of ACTUAL results that the editors tell the authors. That's based on the early results which come out a couple days after the issue goes on sale and the real deal which comes out a week after. Those are slightly skewed for the TOC, what with color pages and all. But the TOC is more of a guideline for popularity, rather than specific scientific data. Plus, even the real deals are based off of only a 1,000 vote sample.
    Well, I know that it's heavily skewed by the editors, like how Medaka Box keeps geting color pages (not that I'm complaining about that). What I'm really wondering is how everyone knows how the ToC works. I learnt how through word of mouth, but the information had to have started somewhere. Worst case scenario, I can just say that Bakuman gives an example of how it could work, although I'd still need to look for the chapter where they introduce that concept.

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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2012-2013] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 4

    It's from 2ch. The idea was just expanded upon and clarified in Bakuman from the author's perspective. This doesn't mean it's gospel, but what has been said has panned out time and time again. It's not as if any other explanation makes more sense, much less another one even being offered.

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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2012-2013] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 4

    In a nutshell.
    The rank shown on each issue is the rank of the chapter shown 8 chapters ago. Exceptions are of course new series ( less than 8 chapters), unless they really, really do bad on the preliminary results, series with less than 8 chapters are just put on random spots, though its likely they get a color page in chapter 3, 4 or 5.
    This is almost confirmed because almost each time a great or particular chapter appears, 8 weeks later that manga ranks well.
    I find comeplling evidence in hokuto no ken, said by bakuman to be the 1st chapter with most votes ever IIRC around 800. 8 weeks later (chapter 9) ranks 1st 2nd ifbyou count color pages).
    Alsonyeah, Oda did say so himself.. that's how they do it.

    Other exceptions are pimped mangas that get a bazillion color pages, Toiko at its early months, Bleach before falling a lot (IIRC the last couple of volumes with espadas?), and with the popularity ofseasonal anime of jump properties i.e if Kuroko gets a season 2 it will get lots of CP.

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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2012-2013] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 4

    the problem here's sourcing, right? Because... there isn't a source provable enough for it.

    But the Bakuman stuff is brought up within the first two volumes, I believe, so there's that.

    Mostly though it's unreliable and awkward, so I wouldn't recommend it for any work that needs citations


    On the Haikyuu front, I'm not sure what to think about the Jump Festa thing. It's a super fun idea, and clearly not a diss on crossdressers, but some sorts would probably get up in arms about it.

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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2012-2013] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 4

    That's not what he asked. He wants written sources and there are none that are official as far as I know. Even bakuman, I don't remember it has ever said anything about the 8 weeks.

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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2012-2013] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 4

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeromcd View Post
    Haikyuu!! vol. 1~3: 1,000,000


    ---------- Post added at 11:11 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:31 PM ----------

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    639 :1015 ◆GwoDyEGSIY :2012/12/11(火) 22:08:28.90 IDqpjFQIb0
    めだかボックス ドベ1
    伊達先輩      ドベ9
    Jump Issue #3 early info
    - Medaka Box is in last place
    - Retsu!! Date-senpai is 9th from the bottom

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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2012-2013] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 4

    Quote Originally Posted by jagman1x3 View Post
    Hey, I was wondering if someone could help me out. I'm writing a paper for school about what affects popularity in shounen/seinen manga, and I want to include a section about the WSJ table of contents. The thing is, I know how the ranking system works, but I can't actually find any sources that can prove it. I know that they mentioned it in Bakuman, and I think I heard something once about Oda confirming that Baku's explanation was legit, but I can't find either one of those.

    TL;DR: Can someone help me find the chapter(s) in Bakuman where they explain the ToC system, and anything that proves its legitimacy? Thanks!
    I dont know if u can actually use a manga page for a citation or not but this is the chapter you r looking for.



    also i think if you want to write something about jump toc legitamacy your best bet would be to search japanese college libraries . or if u can get your prof. to sign on it u might even try to go directly to the source though that usually is easier said than done.hope the chapter helps...

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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2012-2013] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 4

    http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showth...he#post2722680

    And the post about Hokuto no ken and the 8/9 chapiter rule is here.

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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2012-2013] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 4

    TOC is out:

    Quote Quote:
    ◆Kaze/dDnrcMd :2012/12/12(水) 14:22:35.79 ID:6ZBOPkG0 03
    ワンピ
    黒子
    トリコ
    斉木
    ナルト
    ニセコイ
    暗杀 C
    食戟
    ハイキュー

    伊达
    べるぜ C
    ハングリー
    スケット
    キルコ
    クロス
    银魂
    クロガネ

    めだか
    04・05
    表纸巻头 ワンピ
    C ハイキュー、特别読切クロクロク/中村充志 47P

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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2012-2013] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 4

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    ◆Kaze/dDnrcMd :2012/12/12(水) 14:22:35.79 ID:6ZBOPkG0 03
    ワンピ
    黒子
    トリコ
    斉木
    ナルト
    ニセコイ
    暗杀 C
    食戟
    ハイキュー

    伊达
    べるぜ C
    ハングリー
    スケット
    キルコ
    クロス
    银魂
    クロガネ

    めだか
    04・05
    表纸巻头 ワンピ
    C ハイキュー、特别読切クロクロク/中村充志 47P
    Jump #03 (17/12) :
    One Piece (Cover & Lead Color Page)
    Kuroko no Basket
    Toriko
    PSI Kusuo Saiki
    Naruto
    Nisekoi
    Assassination Classroom (Color Page)
    Shokugeki no Souma
    Hq!!
    Bleach
    Retsu!! Date Senpai
    Beelzebub (Color Page)
    Hungry Joker
    Sket Dance
    Shinmai Furei Kiruko-san
    Cross Manage
    Gintama
    Kurogane
    Kochikame
    Medaka Box
    Hunter x Hunter (Hiatus)

    #04・05:
    Cover & Lead CP: One Piece
    CP: Hq!!, Kuro Kuroko / Nakamura Atsushi (One Shot, 47 pg.)




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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2012-2013] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 4


    Last edited by kaze1028; December 12, 2012 at 07:40 AM.

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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2012-2013] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 4

    Poor Medaka Box! On the other hand, Hungry Joker and Kiruko-san look like flops, so they'll be the sacrificial lambs that save Medaka/Kurogane/Cross Manage for the time being.

    I love how the top of the TOC is starting to drastically change from the way it used to be. It's a nice change.

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    Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2012-2013] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 4

    From Kaze~

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    956 :Classical名無しさん:2012/12/12(水) 15:04:10.84 ID:6ZBOPkG0
    来週火曜だ
    TOC will be out 1 day earlier than usual next week.

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