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I think too many people look at ToCs of other magazines and assume it works the same as WSJ. We just know more about how the WSJ editorial department works than any other magazine. But even then, there are still things that happen that can't be explain by where a series ranks in the ToC.
On another subject, I looked at the old jump covers of the 80s thanks to kamisama tumblr galeries and at that time the standard was more like this:
* A serie on the cover (interestingly new series did not systematically had the cover)
* A lead color serie
* quite often,an "all color" serie in 2d place
Does all color mean all pages were in color ?
It's interesting to see how things have evolved little by little. Now the minimum of series with color pages is 3 or 4 when back then it could happen none of them had one.
All color typically means 1,2 or 3 pages in full color and the rest of the chapter in bichrome (JUMP used to use redish tones of bichrome).
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Here is a post with some old color pages for the last chapter of Slam Dunk and the first of Hoshin Engi, beware of spoilers though.
I have a feeling the bichrome was just a way for WSJ to say a chapter was in full color and charge more for adspace before and after it. Just a theory though. People probably wised up and realized it doesn't really add much to a chapter and that's why we don't see it as often.
A poor comparison. Other magazines are not as quick to cancel series based on fan polls alone. The TOC rankings effect people's jobs. There has to be some level of honesty between editors and mangaka. And fans too, if they want fans to continue voting.Quote:
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Are you a member of jump to know if they have done this or that ? We have learned from a credible source that Hungry joker rank was higher than it's real poll. That was the editor decision and it's their own right to eventually balance the poll results if they feel it's better this way. They did it for 2 weeks what is the big deal. Where is the conspiracy against the manga reader ? We know nothing about the poll results so how can you know they didn't do the same for other series in the past. Didn't they decide to keep cross manage and cancel kurogane when this one was doing better according to the last tocs ? How do you explain that assassination classroom beat 15 year old series like naruto and one piece. Isn't it reasonable to think that one vote for a new serie weight more than old series ones.
Jump readers know that the popularity will affect greatly the future of the serie, that's enough for them to send poll because if they like a serie they need to make it known. After the editor still have their word to say and we can't feel betray or anything of something we don't know.
The only series I've seen that was noticeably "pimped" in the last 4 years was Kuroko no Basket, but that worked out more than the editors could have hope I imagine.
@Drmke: ??? Where you not around when TORIKO started?
THAT WAS PIMPING, and it didn't work (as well) as it did with Kuroko (In fact I can't really see Kurokos pimping)..
Ohh.. and BLEACH too back in 2010 or 2011 it got like a CP every 2-3 weeks.. And mangas that get movie adaptations get a lot of PIMPing too, it all started with Strong World then Bleach and Naruto received that threatment *though not in the same vein as Strong World, IIRC Oda got to do like 3 straight weeks of covers and Color pages*
Toriko pimped? what? It has always been a hit since the first chapter. It has always been popular since the beginning and because it was a great manga.
Japanese readers have always loved the manga.
It's silly to think the TOC has ever been a 100% perfect reflection of the reader poll results. It's mostly accurate but in the end the editors get the final say on what goes where. When it comes to laying out the TOC the polls aren't law, they just use it as a basis. It just gives us a rough idea on what's popular/unpopular.
No.. is this post for real? You are joking, right?
JUMP pimped TORIKO soooooooooooooo much, probably because they either wanted to erase from people minds the fact that the mangaka is a sex offender or because they really were longing for an action manga and lets face it TORIKO didn't live up to what WSJ wanted it to be, Assclass did waaay better with not nearly as much marketing involved and so did Bakuman.
TORIKO in the other hand had lots of exposure, heck one of its first Color pages had an aroma on it IIRC, this has never been done before (At least that I remember) in the history of WSJ (Dunno about other manga magazines though).
BTW I am not saying its good or bad, I wouldn't know since I never read it, but you can't deny it was heavily pimped to be the next big thing *As in Bleach-Naruto level* sadly the last thing that could have gone to those levels was D-Gray man but it really lost its stride with the mangakas schedule and changing to SQ.
Also PIMPing doesn''t mean its a bad manga.. It (from what I understand PIMPing is, since I am not a native english-speaker) is to receive way more exposure or be priviliged than other series. Toriko certainly had more exposure while other hits from the same time like Bakuman didn't had as much.
You know, the normal word people use is "pushed" not "pimped". But yes, Toriko was/is by an established successful author and it's a battle manga which makes it marketable and profitable so it's gotten a lot of color pages and such. And it's definitely been that, it constantly ranks on the top yearly-total-sales charts. And now the anime is getting a movie this summer.