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Translations: Gintama 515 (2)
Well if you haven't read, I'll say it again, Zoro cut through the laboratory steel. What does that tell you? He can now cut through Kuma.
What I'm trying to say is, if that is not clear to you, Zoro has a greater chance against a non-logia.
This is getting a little ridiculous...
We all like Zoro, but Rayleigh and Sengoku are legendary-strong. Aokiji turned half of Punk Hazard into ice, and Sengoku was his boss... This was a cruel match-up.
If you're going to vote to keep Zoro in, simply because you like his character, just say so.
Zoro is the obvious one to loose here. It's just impossible for him to survive such a fight going by manga and logic.
He is obviously the weakest compared to Rayleigh who is better both inswordsplay and Haki, so no way Zoro can have a chance against him, the same goes for Ao Kiji and Sengoku. They are just from another league and Zoro still needs lots to grow to even have a chance to make a tie with any of these ones.
So everyone considers only combat skills but not plot elements as Oda may work out such a battle? I mean, we already saw Ray-san stepping in twice for the new generation...
For those who say Zoro can't take on an admiral currently, I challenge you to give some proof, otherwise there is no telling where the monster trio are at currently.
So unless it is in the manga somewhere that Zoro can't currently take on an admiral, prove so.
Specifically the part that says:
"Because the plot is moving forward and certain characters are being developed, they can only be considered as they have been "shown" (pic or text) capable of in the manga, except for the few characters that have been given a limit. "
The burden of proof is on you.
And in 682 chapters of One Piece, there is no proof to support your claim. You can't just make up ideas and say they're valid because no one can prove otherwise... that's irrational
And what are you pointing out by letting me read the rules? I've already read that.
Why should the burden of proof be on me. I'm just telling that Zoro can hold off an admiral, jeez...
Current chapters does not indicate the monster trio can't hold off an admiral either.
So that leaves us all assuming about their current level, so all of you are also making up your ideas and say they are valid.
Proof, Sanji holding off V.A Vergo, Garp is a marine V.A., Sanji can hold off Garp. Go figure the rest. O btw, I can go on for lengths and lengths of proof. So where are yours to prove that Zoro can't hold off an admiral?
Last edited by astute_azure; September 29, 2012 at 01:05 AM.
astute_azure- Your logic make no sense. Garp as stated in the manga is above a vice admiral. When we talk about vice admirals, the reputation of the others are virtually unknown so far (except for Smoker I guess because he is brutal). Garp is a legendary marine. Sanji barely hold on to Vergo with his broken legs. To say that Sanji can hold off Garp, that is a big statement. So why don't you take it a step further, since Garp can hold off Gold Roger. And Gold Roger was on the same level with White Beard. Sanji can hold off both Roger and Whitebeard. You speak nonsense.
Second, as strong as Zoro is I doubt he is above opponents like Jinbei, Marco,and Vista who proven they can't damage Akainu like at all.
Zoro and Sanji shouldn't be able to hold their own against Vice Admirals. Maybe Luffy is the only one in the current crew who can individually challenge a low-level Vice Admirals like Smoker (who seems among the weakest as he even lost to Law). The same Vergo who seems stronger than Smokey and has more authority than him was just toying with Sanji and casually managed to crack Sanji's leg, so I don't see any reason how can Zoro or Sanji challenge Admirals if they can't even tie against low level Vice Admirals.
i go with silvers.
that guy enjoys helping the second generation and even more of that good ol booze. let him watch the next fights
zoro loses, or else he is going to become pirate king before luffy
y in gods name are these 4 paired 2gether so early?
Zoro ... sorry man but U so dead