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    Planned Since the Very Beginning?



    - He's unmasked Haku and Tobi the same exact way...

    I can't believe I hadn't noticed this until now...

    If Kishimoto has really been planning Tobi to be Obito since the very beginning, I want to give him props for keeping his story on track.


    Also...you know whats strange? At the end of 601 Obito says " Am I dead? " ... Thats the last thing he says in Kakashi Gaiden ...and the last thing Kakashi says when he wakes up.
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    Re: Planned Since the Very Beginning?

    Don't you think its more likely Kishi just reread those early chapters and though: "Oh, that was pretty cool, I'am going to make him do that again for old times sake!" ?

    Because other then the artistic illustration those two events hold no other conjunction whatsoever.
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    Re: Planned Since the Very Beginning?

    i think it's more likely kishi got lazy to plan a new 'epic unmasking' page and merely copied his old one


    lazy repetition/copying does not equate to foreshadowing, or rob liefeld would be one of the best planning artists in the world

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    Re: Planned Since the Very Beginning?

    Nice one!

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    Re: Planned Since the Very Beginning?

    Quote Originally Posted by narutotheory View Post
    - He's unmasked Haku and Tobi the same exact way...

    I can't believe I hadn't noticed this until now...

    If Kishimoto has really been planning Tobi to be Obito since the very beginning, I want to give him props for keeping his story on track.

    Also...you know whats strange? At the end of 601 Obito says " Am I dead? " ... Thats the last thing he says in Kakashi Gaiden ...
    I am sorry...post-hoc* fallacy in both cases.


    *The logical fallacy of believing that temporal succession implies a causal relation

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    Re: Planned Since the Very Beginning?

    It's because Haku and Zabuza ended up fighting Naruto because of Obito controlling the Mist! Without Obito they never would've become missing-nin.

    ze hidden message I zee it!

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    Re: Planned Since the Very Beginning?

    Could be accidental as I'm still convinced that Kishi changed his mind and chose Obito to be Tobi. or, he could be trying to draw a parallel and we see Tobi turn good soon or later, possibly loyal to Madara like Kimimaro was to Orochimaru.

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    Re: Planned Since the Very Beginning?

    I think this is probably more of using one's older material as a reference than some decade old plan coming to fruition. It may even be purely coincidence.

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    Re: Planned Since the Very Beginning?

    Quote Originally Posted by Impossibility View Post
    I think this is probably more of using one's older material as a reference than some decade old plan coming to fruition. It may even be purely coincidence.
    Yup, that's why he made pitch black panel saying "Am I dead?" in the end of Kakashi Gaiden. Why would he do that if he didn't intend to make him come back in the future? Why his name- Tobi- was so similar to Obito? I'm sure it was all planned. Plotholes? Screw them, Zetsu and Hashirama cells. We haven't seen Obito using Mokuton yet, but we can see it now. Obito saying "Am I dead" shows us, that he didn't die under those rocks, so Kishi had plans towards him.

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    Re: Planned Since the Very Beginning?

    I don't think he planned that from the very beginning, but you can see the link between the two event.

    I mean... the fight against Haku was basically where Naruto decided to change the world of the shinobi, because he didn't want them to be simple slaves or tools, like Haku said.
    And, he's now fighting Tobi, who himself said he was "nobody" and that he wanted everyone to enslaved the whole world into an eternal genjustu.


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    Re: Planned Since the Very Beginning?

    Quote Originally Posted by Duniak View Post
    Yup, that's why he made pitch black panel saying "Am I dead?" in the end of Kakashi Gaiden.
    That was Kakashi opening his eyes and looking to a starry sky (not black).
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    did you say something about timelines?! naruto ate it NOM NOM NOM IT'S GONE.

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    Re: Planned Since the Very Beginning?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fox666 View Post
    That was Kakashi opening his eyes and looking to a starry sky (not black).
    This. Kishimoto probably went back and used older chapters as reference for newer chapters so that these parallels could exist. I doubt he had it all planned out from the very beginning. I'm willing to bet he didn't create Zetsu for the first time thinking "articificial plant human created from Hashirama's dna". Even Tobi feels like he's been fleshed out as the story progressed.

    As for the composition of the pages themselves, they are crazily similar, for the same reason.
    Also, Kishimoto has done the 3 panel thing A LOT. And they were all during epic moments, just like Tobi's unmasking. That's his thing.

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    Re: Planned Since the Very Beginning?

    Kishimoto has been sticking with it all along . Read the middle left panel

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    Re: Planned Since the Very Beginning?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ghan View Post
    Kishimoto has been sticking with it all along . Read the middle left panel
    Never tought about this but it makes sense
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