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Translations: Gintama 515 (2)
Singles 2 Konjiki Koharu Akutagwa Jirou School Shitenhouji 3rd Year Hyoutei Gakuen 3rd Year Height 170 cm 160 cm Weight 60 kg 49 kg Dominant Hand Right Right Playstyle Defensive Counter Puncher Serve and Volley Techniques Data Tennis Magic Volley
Serve order: Akutagawa -> Konjiki
This round ends on Sunday, September 30th 8 PM GMT.
Cast your vote and discuss (logically) why you voted for who you voted for. Have fun, but keep it clean!
Can we even tier Konjiki yet?
Don't know how we can judge him.
He seemed able to return 7th Hadoukyuu with ease til he got distracted by Momoshiro and hit in the face with it.
He handled Momoshiro, but used silly antics. I'll need to re-watch the ep. for this.
Woah... I can't believe Jirou is so small!!! 160cm!!??
Last edited by Airgrimes; September 27, 2012 at 04:42 PM.
He seems taller in SPOT though...
Back to topic... It's a hard call. I can't believe Kaoz made Konjiki play singles lol, he seems to depend a lot on Hitouji.
I'm gonna wait for now, but I'm probably voting for Jirou.
Jiroh is an established singles player, whereas Konjiki is a doubles player. I don't see how Konjiki would do anything special without his partner, so... Jiroh wins this lol.
Mmm, I think Konjiki's Data might save him from Magic Volley
He returned both Tornado Snake and Jack Knife. On the other hand, I don't see Jirou doing that, and I think he would have returned Gin's 7th Hadoukyuu if Momo didn't distract him lol.
Admittedly, Marui is a better player than Oishi, but the argument still holds. A doubles player is not going to suddenly be great at singles, but just because they're a doubles player doesn't mean that they're going to be terrible at singles and lose to noobs? Jirou's only beat Yuuta, which isn't a great accomplishment. Where's this idea that Jirou's great coming from all of a sudden?
Jirou isn't great at all lol.
We know Marui is a good Singles player however since its said he easily finished off Akutagawa. He is simply a great version of Jirou.
Konjiki however effortlessly returns Tornado Snake. Which I don't think is that great a technique since we only ever saw it take points off of Mukahi and Hiyoshi but here: http://www.mangareader.net/422-27220...apter-323.html
Here is again handling one of the snakes whilst laughing:
Handling the Dunk Smash whilst laughing: http://www.mangareader.net/422-27221...apter-324.html
Konjiki is possibly Lower Mid Tier.
He's pretty solid. Just an not-serious kinda guy.
Last edited by Airgrimes; September 28, 2012 at 12:58 PM. Reason: unnecessary character.
The same flaws of Data Tennis aplies to Konjiki who basically plays a variant of Data Tennis except he doesn't need a notepad. Just because you know something doesn't mean you can do it. In the match against Gin, it's pretty clear that he lacks the strength of return a Hado X so just because he knows the ball is traveling Y MPH with a force of Z does him no good unless he has techniques that can cancel out power. He got his racket knocked off by people with less strength than Gin, so it's pretty safe to assume Hado X line will easily knock his racket off too.
Now Akutagawa doesn't have any real intimidating moves. Konjiki might be able to calculate the angle the Magic Volley hits the ball but he'd also need to have a corresponding amount of speed just to catch up to the ball. So far as NPOT goes both characters are completely unknowns due to lack of airtime, but since Akutagawa is in court 5 for some unfathomable reason, you've to assume he should win just by the fact that he happens to be grouped with a bunch of supernatural middle schoolers. It's pretty clear every guy on court 5 besides him would utterly destroy Konjiki. Not saying Akutagawa is on the tier as the rest of the court 5 members, but since he's part of the court 5 we'll have to assume he isn't there as a joke so even if he's the weakest guy in court 5, due to the chasm between rest of court 5 versus Konjiki, you'd have to assume Akutagawa must be better.
Man that's a really American joke lol.
There are so many problems we have with how Americans talk their ''English'' lol.
That reasoning made no sense.
So because Jirou is Court 5, Jirou > Sanada, Niou, Inui, Kintaro, Kawamura, Momoshiro?
I think you're trolling. All this time, I fell for it. That must be it.
Read what I posted.
Konjiki was going to return it. But he was distracted by Momoshiro when Momoshiro complimented him as the 7th Hadoukyuu was coming to him.
Konjiki is attracted to Momo so he stopped playing for a second. The 7th Hadoukyuu hit the daydreaming Konjiki in the mouth.
Had Konjiki not been distracted seeing as he calculated all those other techniques I mentioned, and returned them, he likely would have returned 7th Hadoukyuu.
If he can return 7th Hadoukyuu without being distracted, I think he could defeat Akutagawa, as Jirou lacks any skill appart from his Magic Volley. Konjiki would get used to it after some games, and when that happens, then Akutagawa has nothing to face Konjiki as I think his data tennis should be more than enough to defeat Jirou.
However, Konjiki returned first try Tornado Snake and Jack Knife, I don't see Jirou returning Tornado Snake first try, Konjiki analyzes really effortlesly and can return special shots once he sees them (not all, but many of them). I think Konjiki would win this match.
This doesn't apply to the loser's bracket or court 6 because it is readily obvious these courts cover guys who are godlike to guys who can genuinely be normal people. The best court 5 player might not be better than the best court 6 player, but the worst court 5 player is definitely better than the worst court 6 player.
You seem to drink too much on the Data Tennis cool-aid too. Inui calculated Ryoma's serve in their first match and still can't return it. Power type techniques, not counting people who can just naturally return them (they're almost invariably the top tier of players), requires either a matching power or a technique that cancels out power. He's obviously not a top tier player like Yukimura who can return a power shot by his tier status. He's not a power player by any stretch of imagination. In the national semifinals, Inui was commenting how Hado 12 is well beyond what is returnable for Kawamura and Kawamura is obviously much stronger than Konjiki. Unless you want to go the route of 'better Data Tennis', power shots after a certain level are well beyond what can be returned by any amount of calculation. You must possess equivalent strength or some kind of technique to deal with it and Konjiki doesn't have them.
At any rate Magic Volley can probably be returned but because the baseline for court 5 is much higher than any other court, Akutagawa gets the benefit of the doubt. You're basically looking at the worst court 5 player versus a below average player on the loser's bracket. Every other court 5 player would easily destroy a below average player on the loser's bracket, and since it was never said Akutagawa is especially bad compared to rest of the court 5, he gets (perhaps unreasonable) boost to his stat for somehow making to court 5 without having his ability questioned.
Yuki, Fuji, Kikumaru, Marui all could have been in Court 5. It's simply because they did not have shuffles when Jirou did.
Read the Pair Puri's. Your knowledge is completely flawed on this.
Considering he can read when Zero Shiki Drop will come.
You don't have to be a power player or always be of the very top tier tier return something as long as you understand it perfectly.
Konjiki is the teammate of Ishida Gin so would have seen Hadoukyuu for over a year. Chances are, he can return a few Hadoukyuus.
You can't compare players when you don't even understand the basics of PoT.
There are 5 stats to a player: Mental, Power, Speed, Technique and Stamina.
Konjiki's Technique is likely above Nationals!Kawamura's.
The databook states that you advance up a court depending who you are drawn against.
It was random. Yukimura, Fuji, Yushi, Marui, Kikumaru, Yagyuu just so happened to be drawn against 6th Court opponents and no opponents higher.
It was by chance Tezuka, Chitose, Atobe, Shiraishi, Kirihara, Akutsu, Jirou etc. got drawn against 5th Court players. It was all by chance. It's stupid to think Jirou was chosen to be in 5th Court because of his skill.
Remember Fuji says ''If everybody wins their matches, the 5th Court will be entirely made up of Middle Schoolers''.
It was simply who you were drawn against.
The High Schoolers below 3rd Court level are all weak. 4th Court were completely shut down by 3rd Court.
So we know getting to 5th Court is a simple task
So obviously, the likes of Jirou could reach 5th Court.
Akutagawa is especially bad to everybody in his Court. Let's leave out the obvious Oni.
Let's throw him against Krauser. Krauser would kill Akutagawa.
Tachibana, Akutsu, Chitose, Tezuka, Atobe, Kirihara, Kite, Gin and Shiraishi would all destroy Jirou.
His ability wouldn't get questioned since the Middle Schoolers don't care about 5th Court. They all want to aim for the top.
So none of your reasoning is relevant.
Last edited by Airgrimes; September 30, 2012 at 02:30 PM.