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Thread: Kage Summit Rematch

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    Re: Kage Summit Rematch

    Room 1: Raikage

    Sasuke sets up the area with flames using Susano so he does not waste to much chakra and then 1 shoots Raikage with Kirin

    Room 2: Gaara

    Fight starts and Amaterasu trough Gaara's sand and kills him.

    Room 3: Mei

    1 shoots with Amaterasu.

    Room 4: Oonoki

    1 shoots with Amaterasu.

    Room 5: Tsunade (yeah yeah, I know Danzou was supposed to be there. But he's fought him once, but not Tsunade. Also, the fact that he'll be spent or dead by the time he reaches her means it'll be more of a fight, lmao.)

    1 shoots with Amaterasu.

    I would go as far as to say he can solo all 5 of them at the same time. Amaterasu Tsuck when the fight starts and then aim for Gaara. Sure he has the sand out at this point and if he faills... Well aim for the rest and 1 shoot Tsunade and Mei. Left with Gaara and Raikage just use Kirin on them.
    He can defend with Susano just fine as long as Tsuck is out of the picture...

    Yeah 1 by 1 he wins easy as long as he is using the IQ of a monkey... All at the same time and he still wins, hard but he wins.

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    Re: Kage Summit Rematch

    Quote Originally Posted by ninjabot View Post
    At the beginning of Sasuke's fight with A, without Susanoo, he dodged his point-blank elbow and planted a Chidori in his chest. That's canon proof that Susanoo isn't required to put up a fight. So that's how he handles his speed: by handling it the exact way he's already done, lol.

    Quite simply, dodging a straight-forward attack before insta-summoning Susanoo to smash into Raikage both knocks the opponent back and gives Sasuke time to focus an Amaterasu and light him up while Raikage recovers from the wall or pillar that he just got crushed into.
    -That was V1
    -It wasn't a "point blank" elbow smash, both were charging in a linear way towards each other, and, again and again, Sharingan reads linear movements better, as said time and time again.


    I'm all for Sasuke defeating Raikage, but let's not be absurd and say he can dodge Raikage and then hit him with Susano'o, come on.
    The moment Sasuke summons Susano'o is the moment Raikage gets the hell out of there using a shunshin

    Quote Originally Posted by xXan View Post
    Room 1: Raikage

    Sasuke sets up the area with flames using Susano so he does not waste to much chakra and then 1 shoots Raikage with Kirin
    -They are on a closed room
    -In setting the room on fire with Amaterasu neither he or A will do a thing, since an arrow would be burned by Amaterasu, and dodged.
    Unless he sets the whole room on fire but then he would be out of chakra
    -If he opens the room, Tsuchikage would insta-pwn him with a Jinton from the sky

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    Room 2: Gaara

    Fight starts and Amaterasu trough Gaara's sand and kills him.
    Proof of Amaterasu being able to pierce Gaara's Sand when Enton couldn't even burn it
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    Room 4: Oonoki

    1 shoots with Amaterasu.
    Other than the normal issue of Sasuke being out of chakra, but how can Sasuke one-shot Oonoki if Oonoki, knowing how Amaterasu work, can just fly and use Jinton.
    Knowing Amaterasu hits where the Uchiha has his sight it makes it way easier to dodge, expecially if someone like Oonoki can render his own body ultra-fast.
    Hell use a Earth golem in front of him so Amaterasu can't burn him and then blast him with Jinton

    You hype waaaaaaaaaay too much Amaterasu.

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    Re: Kage Summit Rematch

    Quote Originally Posted by Uchiha_Blood
    -That was V1
    I know. Never said otherwise.

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    -It wasn't a "point blank" elbow smash, both were charging in a linear way towards each other, and, again and again, Sharingan reads linear movements better, as said time and time again.
    It was. They ran at eachother and, once they were at point blank range (less than a foot apart), he swung his elbow forward. Secondly, Raikage HAS no other type of movement as a taijutsu specialist. Every single attack in his employ relies on close range, meaning he has to come directly to Sasuke and attempt them. And aslong as he's in line of sight his movements can be predicted.

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    I'm all for Sasuke defeating Raikage, but let's not be absurd and say he can dodge Raikage and then hit him with Susano'o, come on.
    The moment Sasuke summons Susano'o is the moment Raikage gets the hell out of there using a shunshin
    So why didn't he Shunshin away from that Chidori, hmm? Quite simply, it's because he was in mid-attack. There was no time to do so. Susanoo can be summoned faster than it takes for lightning to strike the ground, but you don't think Sasuke can summon it before one of Raikage's attacks can hit him? How the hell do you think he tanked the Liger Bomb then?

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    Re: Kage Summit Rematch

    Quote Originally Posted by Impossibility View Post
    A is aware of Sasuke's abilities, and he's shown that he is capable of avoiding every single one of them. It's going to take quite some time for Sasuke to take out A, and it's also going to take quite a bit of chakra.
    It would've taken quite some time 'a while ago' when Sasuke's Susanoo was still a partial skeletal frame and his Amaterasu was not as fast and takes quite a lot from him to initiate. Not anymore. You need to update yourself on the progress he has made in the recent chapters.

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    I don't think it's a big 'if'. We've seen a match-up between Sasuke and A. We've seen that to handle him Sasuke needs to maintain his Susanoo, and we've seen that A can avoid anything Sasuke throws at him. Now that A is aware of Sasuke's techniques, he is likely to be far better prepared for them. Your assumption is that suddenly Raikage is just going to run straight at Sasuke, and take an Amaterasu to the face, which is just ridiculous. You haven't shown how Sasuke effectively handles A's speed.
    Oh please, A was already struggling against a Sasuke with skeletal frames. Against a full fledged Susanoo that can spam Amaterasu flames all over the place effortlessly, he's a sitting duck, because:

    a) A doesn't have anything that can penetrate through a complete Susanoo
    b) A is vulnerable to genjutsu
    c) Sasuke has been proven to be smart enough to use A's emotions against him (negating A's speed)

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    Funny how it was necessary for Zetsu to step in to save him in his last bout with Mei.
    Lol that's like saying it's funny how Naruto needs Sasuke to save his ass back then. In other words, completely out-of-touch with recent developments in the manga.

    If Mei fights Sasuke right now, she's going to get hit by Amaterasu before she can scream 'ouch'. She doesn't have the agility to dodge, and she doesn't have the casting speed to counter the instantaneous Amaterasu.

    She's as good as a goner against the current Sasuke.

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    Tsunade isn't going to get the opportunity to face him. And if she did, she'd offer more of a threat than you give her credit for. Anyone that can rage against 5 Susanoos while being simultaneously impaled by two Susanoo blades, after being pierced by some gigantic tree branch is not as useless as a punching bag.
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    And Oonoki wrecks Sasuke by the time Sasuke manages, by some miracle, to make it as far as him.
    Onoki would most certainly be fighting a 50% powered Sasuke by the time he reaches there, thanks to the incompetence of A the easily-distracted and Mei the slow-caster. (That 50% depletion would be mostly caused by Gaara, just for your information).

    So yea, Onoki would be cursing his comrades for not doing more, only to realize that they have already done their best.

    I'm not even going to bother with Tsunade. He can just impale her with a Enton spike and watch her chakra meter goes down while he does his hair or something.
    Last edited by Ryr; October 05, 2012 at 08:21 PM.

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    Re: Kage Summit Rematch

    Even if raikage doesn't have any jutsu to penetrate susanoo, sasuke can't damage raikage either. If this is a rematch, then raikage will not attack sasuke the way he did before.

    Sasuke needs to activate his susanoo from raikage's attack. While raikage can escape from sasuke's attack for a week.

    Mabe sasuke's fans forgot that after hislittle skirmish to raikage, his chakra level when he fought mei is almost gone to zero.

    Now, sasuke has ems, does his chakra's capacity doubled? How can he fight the entire kages if his chakra capacity is the same as before?

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    Re: Kage Summit Rematch

    Quote Originally Posted by marshall313 View Post
    Even if raikage doesn't have any jutsu to penetrate susanoo, sasuke can't damage raikage either. If this is a rematch, then raikage will not attack sasuke the way he did before.
    If Sasuke can think of a way to hit A back then, he would think of a way to do it again now. The outcome would not change just because A will be too scared to attack Sasuke head-on.

    Do you see how the situation is so precarious for A? All Sasuke needs is one small mistake from him, and he's toast, and judging from all of Sasuke's previous fights, he will force a mistake out of A.

    One mistake and the fight ends immediately.

    Quote Originally Posted by syx View Post
    If Sasuke manages to beat Oonoki, he will destroy Tsunade without Sharingan.
    Lolzz, and I thought I was already very harsh with Tsunade the frontline medic.

    You win.
    Last edited by Ryr; October 06, 2012 at 12:25 AM.

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    Re: Kage Summit Rematch

    Quote Originally Posted by ninjabot View Post
    I know. Never said otherwise.
    Then unless you believe Raikage would risk V1 against Sasuke with EMS, I don't see how Sasuke would follow that speed.
    We know Raikage isn't smart, but he had the common sense to activate V2 the moment he saw Sasuke's eyes morphing into MS.

    On a side note, does Raiton Armour actually increase A's chakra instead of consuming it?
    Karin remarked how A's chakra reached Bijuu level when he activated the armour

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    It was. They ran at eachother and, once they were at point blank range (less than a foot apart), he swung his elbow forward. Secondly, Raikage HAS no other type of movement as a taijutsu specialist. Every single attack in his employ relies on close range, meaning he has to come directly to Sasuke and attempt them. And aslong as he's in line of sight his movements can be predicted.

    So why didn't he Shunshin away from that Chidori, hmm? Quite simply, it's because he was in mid-attack. There was no time to do so. Susanoo can be summoned faster than it takes for lightning to strike the ground, but you don't think Sasuke can summon it before one of Raikage's attacks can hit him? How the hell do you think he tanked the Liger Bomb then?
    Because the difference in that would be that Sasuke's hand had already Chidori, he didn't summon Chidori mid-swing.
    Both stuck at each other, one hit, the other missed.
    In a similar situation ( which will not occur, probably, since Sasuke can't follow V2 and Raikage with info wouldn't risk such an obvious mistake ) Sasuke would need to summon Susano'o first, and that split second would be all that Raikage needs to dodge.
    Remember Danzou?
    When Sasuke was paralyzed by the seal, he noticed Susano'o and made a last second dodge, which left him with a barely wounded arm.
    Wanna compare a one-eyed 80+ years old ( Shisui's Sharingan wasn't active at the time ) to a guy with insane reflexes and speed?

    Also, as Itachi or Kabuto said, Susano'o actually slows down the user, so it wouldn't be advisable to use it in close range

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    Re: Kage Summit Rematch

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryr View Post
    If Sasuke can think of a way to hit A back then, he would think of a way to do it again now. The outcome would not change just because A will be too scared to attack Sasuke head-on.

    Do you see how the situation is so precarious for A? All Sasuke needs is one small mistake from him, and he's toast, and judging from all of Sasuke's previous fights, he will force a mistake out of A.

    One mistake and the fight ends immediately.



    Lolzz, and I thought I was already very harsh with Tsunade the frontline medic.

    You win.
    Sasuke can think of a way on how to hit A like he did last time, like what? Like attacking raikage in linear attack while using his chidori? And if raikage use his version 2 armor, does sasuke's ems would save him from being rape by raikage's super duper speed? What he'll going to do? Using his amaterasu as a shield? And what? Do you expect raikage would do the same from the last time?

    Amaterasu? Useless to raikage.
    Susanoo? Useless to raikage
    Genjutsu? Useless to raikage.
    His newly enton inferno? Useless to raikage.

    After that, sasuke would he dead because his chakra will drop to zero.

    @xxan

    Care to explain how sasuke can use his kirin inside of mifune palace in some icey countryside?

    And do you honestly believe that sasuke's amaterasu can burn that wall to create a thunder clouds inside of that room? What the hell is that? Does it mean that sasuke has the same power of nami in one piece?

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    Re: Kage Summit Rematch

    Quote Originally Posted by marshall313 View Post
    Sasuke can think of a way on how to hit A like he did last time, like what?
    Giving him a 'try me' glare so that he will waste away his arm, forever? Lolzz. Are you reading the manga at all?

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    Like attacking raikage in linear attack while using his chidori? And if raikage use his version 2 armor, does sasuke's ems would save him from being rape by raikage's super duper speed? What he'll going to do? Using his amaterasu as a shield? And what? Do you expect raikage would do the same from the last time?
    All that speed invested in someone who is so easily tricked and distracted is such a waste. Since A wouldn't be able to do a thing against complete Susanoo, all Sasuke needs to do is find an opening with deceit. I imagine it's going to be quite easy given how A is not particular smart from all his previous fights.

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    Amaterasu? Useless to raikage.
    Genjutsu? Useless to raikage.
    His newly enton inferno? Useless to raikage.
    Lolzz, yea right, it's completely useless for A to be missing an arm. Ohwait...

    About genjutsu, I think you have also missed the part where A was totally raped by Madara's genjutsu.

    Sasuke's genjutsu may not be as powerful as Madara's, but even a weak genjutsu can be useful in a fight where Amaterasu boomerangs are flying everywhere. A one-second delay from a 'weak-ass' genjutsu would easily spell the doom of A.

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    And do you honestly believe that sasuke's amaterasu can burn that wall to create a thunder clouds inside of that room? What the hell is that? Does it mean that sasuke has the same power of nami in one piece?
    If it's in a room, Sasuke doesn't even need Kirin. A will run into Amaterasu just by trying to avoid more Amaterasu. It's comical.
    Last edited by Ryr; October 06, 2012 at 07:06 AM.

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    Re: Kage Summit Rematch

    Quote Originally Posted by Ryr View Post
    Giving him a 'try me' glare so that he will waste away his arm, forever? Lolzz. Are you reading the manga at all?



    All that speed invested in someone who is so easily tricked and distracted is such a waste. Since A wouldn't be able to do a thing against complete Susanoo, all Sasuke needs to do is find an opening with deceit. I imagine it's going to be quite easy given how A is not particular smart from all his previous fights.



    Lolzz, yea right, it's completely useless for A to be missing an arm. Ohwait...

    About genjutsu, I think you have also missed the part where A was totally raped by Madara's genjutsu.

    Sasuke's genjutsu may not be as powerful as Madara's, but even a weak genjutsu can be useful in a fight where Amaterasu boomerangs are flying everywhere. A one-second delay from a 'weak-ass' genjutsu would easily spell the doom of A.



    If it's in a room, Sasuke doesn't even need Kirin. A will run into Amaterasu just by trying to avoid more Amaterasu. It's comical.
    Wait,

    Raikage activated his level 2 armor.
    Raikage charged to sasuke.
    Sasuke can't see anything.
    Sasuke was looking for raikage.
    From left, to right and from side to side.
    But he can't see where the hell is raikage.
    With that, he activate his ama shield to protect himself.
    Raikage slapped sasuke.
    Raikage lost his arm.

    So, you really think it was sasuke's strategy/feat to use his ama shield to hit raikage?

    It's just a pure luck. Sasuke is just lucky that raikage slapped him even though his ama shield is activated.

    Even if you're right about raikage. It doesn't mean he's an idot in a fight. Remember, raikage just hated sasuke because of what happen to bee.

    So now, how can sasuke find an opening to hit raikage?

    Does sasuke already tried to used his genjutsu to raikage? And it failed right? Sasuke's sharingan is not on the same level of madara's sharingan. It's like comparing yamato to hashirama. And above all, weak genjutsu is useless to raikage.

    And by the way, how many times can sasuke use his amaterasu? Can he covered the entire room? But that room is just made up of rock.

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    Re: Kage Summit Rematch

    Quote Originally Posted by Uchiha_Blood
    Then unless you believe Raikage would risk V1 against Sasuke with EMS, I don't see how Sasuke would follow that speed.
    We know Raikage isn't smart, but he had the common sense to activate V2 the moment he saw Sasuke's eyes morphing into MS.
    You guys are making the same mistake you make with Chakra Mode Naruto. You assume he's always capable of using his max speed in any given situation. It's just not possible. Shunshin is not a "mode", it's a technique. You use it, your movement is boosted, then you return to your base speed. This is how Sasuke countered his attack with an Amaterasu coating his Susanoo ribs. Secondly, you neglect to mention that EVEN with Raikage's V2 speed AND seeing Sasuke cook an Amaterasu he STILL wasn't fast enough to hit him before he could mount an Enton defense. This happened in the manga, but you're so sure it'll work this time?

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    On a side note, does Raiton Armour actually increase A's chakra instead of consuming it?
    Karin remarked how A's chakra reached Bijuu level when he activated the armour
    It consumes it. It's just that you can feel the true depths of his chakra reserve when he's actually tapping into it. Normally a sensor can sense a chakra reserve of a person, but not in it's entirety unless they're actually tapping deep into it. Think about every time Karin sensed Naruto's chakra. She would've frightened the same way if she sensed him using Chakra Mode or some other large amount of chakra. But sensing him in base mode wasn't as frightening.

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    Because the difference in that would be that Sasuke's hand had already Chidori, he didn't summon Chidori mid-swing.
    Both stuck at each other, one hit, the other missed.
    You're over-simplifying. First off, the reason one hit and the other missed is because Sasuke dodged while Raikage was commited to an attack. He beat Raikage's elbow with timing and precision. There was no mistake, no element of chance. He simply overcame it. Secondly, this was without the aid of Susanoo, which further destroys the notion that Sasuke needs Susanoo active throughout the entire fight.

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    In a similar situation ( which will not occur, probably, since Sasuke can't follow V2 and Raikage with info wouldn't risk such an obvious mistake ) Sasuke would need to summon Susano'o first, and that split second would be all that Raikage needs to dodge.
    He can't dodge if he's in mid-air from leaping over an attack Sasuke's thrown to set him up, or if he's dodged an attack to come to Sasuke's blindside. Or, if Sasuke baits him into a counter attack by running at him like he did with the Chidori. Raikage, even with prior experience fighting Susanoo, has still proven he has to rely on close range attacks to do any damage at all. And let's not forget, Sasuke can predict where he's dodgeing to, not just where he's going to attack. Forcing Raikage to jump where a Kagutsuchi was planted prior will make Raikage take himself out.

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    Remember Danzou?
    When Sasuke was paralyzed by the seal, he noticed Susano'o and made a last second dodge, which left him with a barely wounded arm.
    Wanna compare a one-eyed 80+ years old ( Shisui's Sharingan wasn't active at the time ) to a guy with insane reflexes and speed?
    Shisui's eye was active. He just couldn't use MS with it. It's how he managed to escape Genjutsu (remember, when he escapes Sasuke's Itachi illusion, you see all the eyes in his arm darting around as if they were seeing through the Genjutsu.) So even if you managed to prove Shisui's eye wasn't active (which you can't), all his arm Sharingan were. Not to mention this was the first time he'd reached this Susanoo version, and Danzou was standing still rather than Shunshin'ing toward Sasuke to perform a Lariat or Elbow. If he was propelled toward Sasuke like a rocket there would've been no dodging.

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    Also, as Itachi or Kabuto said, Susano'o actually slows down the user, so it wouldn't be advisable to use it in close range
    Slows down the user. As in , it's hard to move around when you've got an armored spirit seeping from your pores. But if you're already being moved by say... using Shunshin before activating it, or in a free fall, or jumping tree-to-tree. Multi-tasking ftw.

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    Re: Kage Summit Rematch

    Quote Originally Posted by marshall313 View Post
    So, you really think it was sasuke's strategy/feat to use his ama shield to hit raikage?

    It's just a pure luck. Sasuke is just lucky that raikage slapped him even though his ama shield is activated.
    How is that not Sasukes feat? Yes, Sasuke didn't expect Raikage being stupid enough to bitchslap him, but Sasuke clearly knew that Raikage will receive serious damage if he is going to attack.

    What was the outcome? Raikage hit Sasukes face and Sasuke hit Raikage with his flames. Sasukes face survived. On the other hand we only see Raikages left hand when Kishi makes a drawing mistake.

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    Re: Kage Summit Rematch

    Quote Originally Posted by xXan View Post
    Room 1: Raikage

    Sasuke sets up the area with flames using Susano so he does not waste to much chakra and then 1 shoots Raikage with Kirin

    Room 2: Gaara

    Fight starts and Amaterasu trough Gaara's sand and kills him.

    Room 3: Mei

    1 shoots with Amaterasu.

    Room 4: Oonoki

    1 shoots with Amaterasu.

    Room 5: Tsunade (yeah yeah, I know Danzou was supposed to be there. But he's fought him once, but not Tsunade. Also, the fact that he'll be spent or dead by the time he reaches her means it'll be more of a fight, lmao.)

    1 shoots with Amaterasu.

    I would go as far as to say he can solo all 5 of them at the same time. Amaterasu Tsuck when the fight starts and then aim for Gaara. Sure he has the sand out at this point and if he faills... Well aim for the rest and 1 shoot Tsunade and Mei. Left with Gaara and Raikage just use Kirin on them.
    He can defend with Susano just fine as long as Tsuck is out of the picture...

    Yeah 1 by 1 he wins easy as long as he is using the IQ of a monkey... All at the same time and he still wins, hard but he wins.
    Uh....

    Yo do remember that Sasuke already had Amaterasu the first time around, right?
    And he still lost.

    And as we saw in the fights he did, Amaterasu is not a one-hit kill like you say:
    - Raikage was too fast for Amaterasu, he only got caught because he's reckeless and punch right into it.
    - Gaara can block the Amatarasu with his sand.


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    Yo do remember that Sasuke already had Amaterasu the first time around, right?
    And he still lost.
    Different Sasuke, you know that right?
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    And as we saw in the fights he did, Amaterasu is not a one-hit kill like you say:
    - Raikage was too fast for Amaterasu, he only got caught because he's reckeless and punch right into it.
    - Gaara can block the Amatarasu with his sand.
    Gaara block ENTON NOT Amaterasu, there is a difference.

    With that being said, Sasuke loses.
    Sasuke is barley above Ee and Oonoki... Gaara to for that matter. Basically, If Sasuke was to face Ee first, but the fight would push Sasuke to far to Survive the next fight with Gaara or Oonoki. I mean Sure Garra has jutsu that could one shot most of the Kages, but its highly unlikely that the fight would go down like that.

    My point is Sasuke needs to show his EMS and whatever else hes getting before he can run through the Kages.

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    Re: Kage Summit Rematch

    Quote Originally Posted by syx View Post
    How is that not Sasukes feat? Yes, Sasuke didn't expect Raikage being stupid enough to bitchslap him, but Sasuke clearly knew that Raikage will receive serious damage if he is going to attack.

    What was the outcome? Raikage hit Sasukes face and Sasuke hit Raikage with his flames. Sasukes face survived. On the other hand we only see Raikages left hand when Kishi makes a drawing mistake.
    Sasuke clearly knew? Really? Sasuke activated those riblets to protect hmself, while adding his ama for raikage to stay away from him. Raikage is almost invinsible at that time. And sasuke knew that raikage can't attack him directly. But raikage did.

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