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We saw him running. Something is up. Something must have compensated for this apparent '2' in Stamina.
We saw Krauser with similar stamina who ran for just 3 games in a row.
Where are you getting this from? Most of the time he just stood somewhere and placed the ball so that Atobe just barely got to it. Furthermore Irie has an insane speed stat, so he doesn't have to go all out to catch up to shots. Compare it with Kikumaru's and Mukahi's acrobatics for example; Kikumaru can last longer by not going all out, same thing should apply to Irie.
He was moving around.
Last edited by Airgrimes; October 02, 2012 at 12:19 PM.
How about these to illustrate my point:
Irie just casually hits shots at that point and makes Atobe run. Not sure whether you wanted me to elaborate on the comparison?
As if smashing the way he was wouldn't eventually take up stamina in a 187-188probably tie-break.
It just isnt easy no matter which way you view that.
In my 2nd link he is running. You simply cannot prove he wasin the same position for the whole tie-break with this here.
Baseline at the next page. http://www.mangareader.net/new-prince-of-tennis/45/4
You cannot prove he didn't run around. 6-6 187-187 long? That is too long for a player who has very weak stamina.
Something is clearly up there.
@kaoZ thanks for showing me PP and irie super shot in manga chapt. but towards phantom, that just shows a fast shot. no where does it suggest it was 2nd fastest in all the world, or 2nd to TnK.
that's a speed shot no doubt. that was basically irie revealing he was acting and did a super shot that caught akiba off guard.
it was drawn for dramatic effect by kononmi sensei
I can show pot drawings of sanada's Swift like the wind, where konomi draws the picutre where sanada hits it to echizen and echizen uses the same technique and sanada is just moving not know wtf just happened at the moment.
we just know its fast, lets not compare it to TnK, being the fastest shot on record, unless other managa chars with good skills can comment on them.
this match would be a close game for sure.
If the POT wikia is correct and Kikumaru only has a 3,5 in speed... that means that Irie is damn fast lol
Either mental can cover for stamina (there are numerous cases where if people have enough willpower they can overcome fatigue) or that Irie's technique is so high that he's expanding nearly no energy while playing tennis. Until there's a scene that shows Irie actually getting tired, he's currently one of the highest stamina character in NPOT despite an outright contradiction to his listed stats.
Generally speaking it'd appear once you break through whatever the limit someone's technique allow them to use comfortably can return they start losing energy. For example in Tezuka versus Sanada, you can see he starts sweating significantly after he starts using Phantom because the Phantom clearly beyond his comfortable limit. That said since Irie has a mental of 7, he can easily pull the same 'willpower above all' thing that Tezuka always do (who only has a mental of 5).
I don't understand why people are so perplexed by Irie's stamina. The answer is simple to me. Atobe has high stamina within the context of a ONE SET MATCH because he is a middle-schooler. Irie has low stamina within the context of a THREE SET MATCH because he is a high-schooler. That makes their stamina around the same.
After 5-0, we're talking 7 more games and 187 points. Of those, you have no idea how long Irie was running around for, or in the same position for.
We did see him run around at times, and the game went to 187 all. So there just had to have been stamina drainage.
Just the fact there was a 100-point+ tiebreak and we have witnessed both characters sprinting around, their must be stamina loss on both sides.
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It says Anime OVA however.
I've removed it, but they are the stats Kikumaru was given by the NPoT anime. They are doing a bad job of SPoT this company.
Kikumaru also has a 2 in Stamina, meaning Shishido/Ootori and Oishi must be 1.5 max, according to NPoT Anime.
Ignore the anime's stats. Manga/Databooks and Fanbooks are the only things to confidently go by.
Krauser lasted like 4 games lol. You think Krauser and Irie have the exact same stamina then Kaoz?
Something had to compensate for Irie's lack of Stamina. If he was controlling how much energy he exerted, then that would be down to his Mental knowing how to do it.
This is referenced back to Hiyoshi VS Ryoma, when Tachibana says Hiyoshi is playing an Adult's game. and here.
It is implied there is the issue of pacing yourself, that is another part of a players game, more the Mental aspect.
So if Krauser and Irie have equal stamina, do you see Krauser doing what Irie did?
Technique or Mental must have contributed to make him to last so long.
Kenya is the fastest in the series, you think handing him a 2 in Stamina would let him reach 187-all?
Sanada Gen'ichirou: 8 votes
Irie Kanata: 6 votes
Winner: Sanada Gen'ichirou