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    Re: Minato the legendary hokage, did he fail in so many ways?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lighty View Post
    I think Tsunades intentions were clear: There simply wasn't someone else to send after Sasuke. Shikamaru was the best she could get. The jounin were away from the village. Okay she could've gone herself, but thats not Hokage style either with the village being weakened.
    But I agree on the other things - esp. Jiraiya...
    Except there was a jounin(Gai) and at least two chuunin(Kotetsu and Izumo) available for her to send instead that weren't doing anything other then wasting time and doing paperwork.

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    Re: Minato the legendary hokage, did he fail in so many ways?

    Quote Originally Posted by Uchiha_Blood View Post
    Considering he gave Kyuubi to Naruto, the ninja Jesus, Yondaime accomplished a lot more than any other Hokage
    Actually, Minato impregnating Kushina, and the resulting birth of Naruto allowed Tobi to take control of the Kyuubi, which killed many villagers. That also set in motion the mistrust and paranoia that led to the Uchiha massacre. Thank you Minato, for causing so much death because you couldn't keep your dick in your pants.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rikudou King View Post
    Except there was a jounin(Gai) and at least two chuunin(Kotetsu and Izumo) available for her to send instead that weren't doing anything other then wasting time and doing paperwork.
    You could argue that they were needed to protect the village. You can't just send out all your best guys and leave the village defenseless after suffering major attacks from Oro and the sands, and then a minor one against Akatsuki.
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    Re: Minato the legendary hokage, did he fail in so many ways?

    Quote Originally Posted by chilibun View Post
    You could argue that they were needed to protect the village. You can't just send out all your best guys and leave the village defenseless after suffering major attacks from Oro and the sands, and then a minor one against Akatsuki.
    If they had been sitting around on guard, maybe. But like mentioned, Gai was wasting time around the hospital and the other two were doing paperwork all night. Guarding against a possible unknown attack could have easily been handled by the genin while they dealt with an actual known assault by the minions of Konoha's greatest enemy. It wouldn't even be about bring Sasuke back; catching one of Orochimaru's followers to extract information and even a possible location from would have clearly been the right tactical move for a Hokage to make.

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    Re: Minato the legendary hokage, did he fail in so many ways?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rikudou King View Post
    If they had been sitting around on guard, maybe. But like mentioned, Gai was wasting time around the hospital and the other two were doing paperwork all night. Guarding against a possible unknown attack could have easily been handled by the genin while they dealt with an actual known assault by the minions of Konoha's greatest enemy. It wouldn't even be about bring Sasuke back; catching one of Orochimaru's followers to extract information and even a possible location from would have clearly been the right tactical move for a Hokage to make.
    You don't have to be standing guard to be protecting the village. She might just think that she needed more capable hands in the village in case something happens. Genins can't protect the village against an attack like Oro or Akatsuki. The village at this point is still recovering and an attack from any strong organization would overwhelm them. Losing Sasuke is not that detrimental to the village. Not having necessary defense in the village against an organized attack is. You can question it all you want, but there are good reasons for keeping Gai and other strong shinobis at the village just for precautions. The whole Sasuke kidnapping could even be a ruse to weaken the existing defense of the village if they chased. The point is that the priority is to defend the village, and not Sasuke or going on enemy chases when you already have low man power.
    Last edited by chilibun; October 03, 2012 at 12:38 PM.

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    Re: Minato the legendary hokage, did he fail in so many ways?

    As far as the missions go minato was not a kage at the time. During the gaiden he was just another soldier and based on what we know he was just a soldier during the recent events. As a soldier minato nor his students get to pick their battles. They go where told to when told to BECAUSE they are told to. Any more than that is beyond a soldiers rights. Its not minato's fault he was assigned those missions nor that his team got sent elsewhere basically.

    To be fair he thought obito was dead at the time. With his intuition he could only get as far as suggesting madara was the one who was behind everything. Its not like he ever had reason to believe obito would have had known the stuff which he knew thanks to madara. More so, obito had his body changed quite a bit into mokuton and apparently grown beyond its years (tobi was a full sized adult while kakashi still seemed to be in the kid area).

    Another thing is that as far as we know they had no means to seal kyubi other than shiki fujin. Kushina's actual initial plan was to seal the kyubi inside herself and die with it which would result in an eventual resurrection of the kyubi elsewhere. Kushina seemed to have the ability to seal the kyubi inside herself but never to seal it inside others. If the priority was that there would be a jinchuiriki then the only optioned seemed to be the shinigami and sealing it inside kushina was a bad choice as she was already dying and minato was a bad choice because the shinigami was about to take his soul.

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    Re: Minato the legendary hokage, did he fail in so many ways?

    Quote Originally Posted by chilibun View Post
    Actually, Minato impregnating Kushina, and the resulting birth of Naruto allowed Tobi to take control of the Kyuubi, which killed many villagers. That also set in motion the mistrust and paranoia that led to the Uchiha massacre. Thank you Minato, for causing so much death because you couldn't keep your dick in your pants.
    Of course, the fault lies with Yondaime and Kushina, not with Tobi and Madara.
    Its not like they could, you know, ambush Kushina and the future vessel when the Kyuubi would be swapped, after all its not like they are immortal.
    Also that's false, the whole Uchiha mistrust started when Niidaime Hokage isolated them, and the Uchiha massacre was spurred by Danzou and the Uchiha's greed.

    Lastly, considering how Naruto will achieve his world-peace agenda, Yondaime's gamble will be a winning one, in the end.
    Shame, because I really would like Mads to win

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    Re: Minato the legendary hokage, did he fail in so many ways?

    Quote Originally Posted by chilibun View Post
    You don't have to be standing guard to be protecting the village. She might just think that she needed more capable hands in the village in case something happens. Genins can't protect the village against an attack like Oro or Akatsuki. The village at this point is still recovering and an attack from any strong organization would overwhelm them. Losing Sasuke is not that detrimental to the village. Not having necessary defense in the village against an organized attack is. You can question it all you want, but there are good reasons for keeping Gai and other strong shinobis at the village just for precautions. The whole Sasuke kidnapping could even be a ruse to weaken the existing defense of the village if they chased. The point is that the priority is to defend the village, and not Sasuke or going on enemy chases when you already have low man power.
    One does actually, else their response to said attack will be slowed. We pretty much saw that during Pain's Invasion, which if I think about it now, would indicate there should have already been an unit in Konoha to keep guard. Anyway, we're talking about at least one ninjas here, three at the most. An "attack from a strong organization" would still be devastating whether Konoha had a single jounin or not. And considering the faith she held in Naruto and the village-wide knowledge that he defeated Suna's Jinchuuriki, I'm betting he would have been considered just as valuable as them.

    By that logic, she shouldn't have sent anyone if losing Sasuke didn't matter, since every little bit helps, right? But not only did she send a chuunin and four genin against strong Oto ninjas, she even called for back-up from Suna. And note, I said that this wouldn't be about bring Sasuke back, it would be about taking prisoners directly connected to Orochimaru. A prisoner who they could possible gain important intel from or even a location for Orochimaru would be a major prize for the village. It would mean they could potentially take the offensive and confront Orochimaru on their terms, instead of on his terms after he had time to prepare. Orochimaru had already proven that simply defending the village was meaningless, and that was when it was at full strength. If the village at full strength could barely manage against him, it would be foolish to believe a village at a third of the strength could, thus thinking ahead and attempting to be proactive would have been the smarter tactical move.

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    Re: Minato the legendary hokage, did he fail in so many ways?

    Quote Originally Posted by chilibun View Post
    Actually, Minato impregnating Kushina, and the resulting birth of Naruto allowed Tobi to take control of the Kyuubi, which killed many villagers. That also set in motion the mistrust and paranoia that led to the Uchiha massacre. Thank you Minato, for causing so much death because you couldn't keep your dick in your pants.
    as a joke it is hilarious but if you are for real that is a weird example if you were minato could you keep you in your pants?...
    i think yodaime didn't fail in many ways, minato died to young and we couldn't see an stronger hokage but as far as we know he protect the village from tobi and took care of the kyuubi but minato didn't live to long..

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    Re: Minato the legendary hokage, did he fail in so many ways?

    Quote Originally Posted by Uchiha_Blood View Post
    in light of recent chapters, you can't expect for Obito to be recognised, since the kid surely wore a Zetsu suit when he faced Yondaime ( evidenced by the fact that his left arm, the intact one, still leaked Zetsu goo when hit and it fell off ).
    Also, as the Spiral Zetsu said, by combining Senju and Uchiha powers Obito got a giant power up, managing to do things ( taming the Kyuubi with a 3 tomoe Sharingan for example ) that only a legend like Madara could do.
    Also Obito was dead, and Yondaime didn't know that he obtained the Mangekyo nor that his Mangekyo was a S/T jutsu, so the chances for him to recognise Obito were slim to none.
    Doubt it. Zetsu suit allowed him to falcon punch the boulder. Without the suit, his right arm turned to goo. He most likely wasn't wearing a suit. Not completely anyway. At least this would explain why he tanked the rasengan.

    Did Minato see Tobi's Sharingan or evne know about that? I don't recall.....

    Quote Originally Posted by xXan View Post
    Also he could NOT seal the thing in himself... He could seal 50% and he was on his knees in paralyzed...
    Naruto himself was a BABY, sealing that much in him would have killed him. Yes Naruto was a Uzumachi but still... Even if a small chanse that Naruto would die Minato would NOT take that chanse... But now seriously a grown man and Minato was paralyzed... What would that do to a kid?
    Then going by curent events in the manga it would apear that what Minato did ends up saving the Naruto-verse so your points are not that good.
    Why would that matter, though? He's gonna die anyway, it shouldn't matter what happens to his body because of him sealing Kyuubi in himself.

    I doubt anything would have happened to Naruto, considering how Minato's seal was able to keep Kyuubi at bay until Part II. By then, Jiraiya came up with a seal to kick the Kyuubi back in the cage. What Minato did was Death Reaper seal, completely different from the seal he used on Naruto. The effects shouldn't be the same at all.

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    Re: Minato the legendary hokage, did he fail in so many ways?

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    Quote Quote:
    Actually, Minato impregnating Kushina, and the resulting birth of Naruto allowed Tobi to take control of the Kyuubi, which killed many villagers. That also set in motion the mistrust and paranoia that led to the Uchiha massacre. Thank you Minato, for causing so much death because you couldn't keep your dick in your pants.

    Are you serious? So if i take some money with me and go buy something but some random dude X finds out i have money on me and robes me its my fault for having the money on me?

    Kushina was his wife... Of course they wanted kids... Its clearly Tobi's fault... If Tobi did not attack nothing would have happened.

    @M3J

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    Why would that matter, though? He's gonna die anyway, it shouldn't matter what happens to his body because of him sealing Kyuubi in himself.
    He said so himself, he can't seal more then 50%:
    http://www.mangapanda.com/93-55672-1...apter-503.html

    In case you where refering to the normal seal then read below.

    Quote Quote:
    I doubt anything would have happened to Naruto, considering how Minato's seal was able to keep Kyuubi at bay until Part II. By then, Jiraiya came up with a seal to kick the Kyuubi back in the cage. What Minato did was Death Reaper seal, completely different from the seal he used on Naruto. The effects shouldn't be the same at all.
    And you know this how? You can go with plot hole but that is about it. Minato was a smart man. If he could seal 100% of Kyuubi in Naruto(or in himself) and live he would have done that. That was not about the seal holding but Naruto's body holding to all that power.

    So you can choose plot hole or accept the fact that he could not seal all of it. So in essence accept that what happened with the DG seal would happen with the normal seal. I mean the DG seal is obviously even a GREATER sealing jutsu... I would find it really strange to belive the better seals that you give your life for is actualy worse.

    The thing is a plot hole would only be if Kishi confirms Minato could use the normal seal and seal the entire Kyuubi in Naruto. To that point we don't know if that is possible and so its not a plot hole.
    Last edited by xXan; October 04, 2012 at 02:04 AM.

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    Re: Minato the legendary hokage, did he fail in so many ways?

    Quote Originally Posted by xXan View Post
    He said so himself, he can't seal more then 50%:
    http://www.mangapanda.com/93-55672-1...apter-503.html

    In case you where refering to the normal seal then read below.



    And you know this how? You can go with plot hole but that is about it. Minato was a smart man. If he could seal 100% of Kyuubi in Naruto(or in himself) and live he would have done that. That was not about the seal holding but Naruto's body holding to all that power.

    So you can choose plot hole or accept the fact that he could not seal all of it. So in essence accept that what happened with the DG seal would happen with the normal seal. I mean the DG seal is obviously even a GREATER sealing jutsu... I would find it really strange to belive the better seals that you give your life for is actualy worse.

    The thing is a plot hole would only be if Kishi confirms Minato could use the normal seal and seal the entire Kyuubi in Naruto. To that point we don't know if that is possible and so its not a plot hole.
    Was it said he can't seal more than half of Kyuubi's power in himself or in Naruto?

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    Re: Minato the legendary hokage, did he fail in so many ways?

    Yes, "it's physically and conceptually impossible".
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    TOBI IS OBITO

    did you say something about timelines?! naruto ate it NOM NOM NOM IT'S GONE.

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    Re: Minato the legendary hokage, did he fail in so many ways?

    ... sealing the whole fox in Naruto or in Minato?

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    Re: Minato the legendary hokage, did he fail in so many ways?

    Quote Originally Posted by M3J View Post
    ... sealing the whole fox in Naruto or in Minato?
    Sealing the whole fox in himself, as he later mentions just how heavy half the Fox's chakra is.

    I guess that, should Yondaime be able to seal Kyuubi, he would've done it in a heartbeat, since it would destroy forever Tobi/Madara's plan, and spare his son a sad childhood

    ---------- Post added at 09:33 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:30 AM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by M3J View Post
    Doubt it. Zetsu suit allowed him to falcon punch the boulder. Without the suit, his right arm turned to goo. He most likely wasn't wearing a suit. Not completely anyway. At least this would explain why he tanked the rasengan.

    Did Minato see Tobi's Sharingan or evne know about that? I don't recall.....
    His arm turned into goo because the aftershock of the Rasengan destroyed it, its almost sure he wore a suit because:
    -it would explain his bulk
    -it would explain how he managed to control Kyuubi with a 3-tomoe Sharingan while Uchihas needs MS
    -it would explain why his left arm, the intact arm, turned into goo
    -it would explain how Obito knew where Yondaime teleported when he escaped him, using Zetsu's underground network he would have instant knowledge of everyone's whereabouts.

    Also no he didn't, Yondaime teleported to them after Kakashi used the kunai, meaning after Obito was supposedly killed by the Iwa fodder.

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    Re: Minato the legendary hokage, did he fail in so many ways?

    I'm talking about sealing the whole Kyuubi in Naruto, though. No reason why he couldn't have done that.


    Tobi, not Obito, although they're so far the same. When I say Tobi, I mean Obito who's gone bad.

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