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@ Rikudou King,
Look, I'm not going to argue with you whether it is the right or wrong decision. I'm just saying there are legitimate concerns and reasons for keeping strong ninjas at the village, even it they were only precautionary. Pain's attack actually does show its importance of having strong ninjas at the village because people like Kakashi, Chouji's dad, etc. were able to react and defend the village, even though they failed. Oro also had an entire sand village backing him up or else Konoha, by my estimations, would have defeated the sounds rather convincingly. Regardless of who or what type of attack it is, you can't predict success or failure. You can only strategize your defenses and hope for the best.
Well, since you gave me such a humorous response of fathering Naruto as an accomplishment, I though I give you an equally humorous one of why Minato is a bringer of death and misery. I'm just amazed so many seem to take it seriously. On a serious note though, the village were only untrusting of the Uchihas prior to the Kyuubi attack. They were not pushed to point of rebellion. The heavy spying on the Uchiha began after the Kyuubi attack when the elders suspected them of being responsible for it.
Why so serious? Say it with me, "ha, ha."
Because a full grown Minato already had trouble containing half the Kyuubi. What makes you think a baby Naruto would be able to handle the whole thing?
Last edited by chilibun; October 04, 2012 at 04:53 PM.
The Six Pains were able to walk through the village without pause and cause massive destruction before those strong ninjas were able to put up a defense, and in that situation there were a village-worth, not less then a handful. And Orochimaru didn't employ the whole Suna force, he only used 100 of their ninjas in addition to 100 of his own Oto ninjas. The best defense would have to taken out the threat.
True, but the whole thing started with Niidaime, and back then there were other Uchihas that begin to plot.
Most likely the Kyuubi attack hastened the whole thing, I don't doubt Uchihas would try a coup regardless.
They are painted as the bad guys, the cursed clan, they didn't have the Will of Fire, they were heatens, villains, they scare little kids at night and stole candy from them
Valid opinions everyone. Mine...well i don't think Minato was a failure. I think he made the best of some f#$ked up situations. And that's the best we can ever hope to do. Sure he wasn't there when Obito "died" but Kakashi was a jounin and he did save far more lives on that battlefield before he got back to Kakashi and Rin. So that can be debated...the needs of the few vs. the needs of the many...whats the lesser evil type deal. However I don't know what the hell he was thinking as a father. Kushina wanted him to live to take care of Naruto and even when Naruto met him he asked how he could seal the kyuubi in him. I guess he was thinking as a father, leader, and a husband. Many would fail to act as calmly and calculating as he did. So he was thinking of the village before his kid but then also had faith in his kid to master the power he was giving him.
All that being said i'll reiterate that Minato wasn't a failure, he made due with what he had. And if his failure is to be partially measured by his students then Kakashi and Sarutobi are another story. I want to say that like Minato, Kakashi made the best of a bad situation but sometimes i don't know if he gave his all for Sasuke. Maybe we should start a thread on them and analyze if they failed in so many ways. At least Obito wants to remake the world for the sake of peace. Sasuke up until recently (but probably still) is just out to destroy s&*t. But hey some say they're no such things as bad students, only bad teachers (LOL Karate Kid). I think there are bad apples from time to time. Minato, Kakashi, and even the Sandime had one. LOL now all we need is Sasuke to kill Kakashi and Kakashi will fit right into the club with Minato and Saurtobi...all had a bad student who was intentionally the catalyst in the events that led to their deaths.
Last edited by Bajan4eva1; October 05, 2012 at 12:02 AM.
It can be:
1-He is low on chakra and he can't seal 100% of the Kyuubi using the normal seal.
2-He can not contain the Kyuubi long enough for the normal seal to do its thing, remember that half the Kyuubi already impaled Kushina and Minato before Minato finished his thing. If that was 100% Kyuubi...
3-Naruto would die as he was a baby. As he grew up and the Kyuubi got his mojo back it was a slow thing. Naruto had time to adapt.
How do you even know the baby was fine after the seal? Did you see him? The only way you did that is if you had more pages in the chapter then me... He was probably better off then Minato as he was an Uzumachi but how well... We don't know. Then as time whent by he could handle the chakra.
4-Naruto's chakra was not powerfull enough to hold the seal active. Kushi when having a baby was using her mojo to deliver the baby and the seal grew weaker remember?
I can think of more but what is the point?
On a serious note, I am not a fan of Minato's character due to the sole fact that he sacrificed himself to save the village and left his son orphaned with no one to care for him. That is just cruel.
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By all indications, the theft of their political power had happen recently, meaning that it wasn't as if they were given the military police role in return. They would have had both before the Elders took it away. And the fact that they originally had it meant that Konoha likely wasn't always govern by the Hokage and Elders.
That was moot when the Elders became the advisors of the Hokage, basically ruling out Uchihas in favour of Senju-oriented people.
The coup was, if we go by what Koharu said, as a threat to regain political power.
Maybe they were treated like every other clan, despite being objectively more important than them, being the police corp and all
We dont know if Minato would have been able to seal the whole fox into Naruto, moreover, I believe that wasnt his intention at all. I think there is a reason he just sealed the yang (good side) of Kyuubi into Naruto and the evil side into himself. I think in the end, we will see that Minato planned everything ahead. Remember "that jutsu". It must be something important. Jiraiya thought Minato intended Naruto to master "that jutsu" with kyuubis power. Is it just possible with yang chakra? Does it have to be PURE chakra?
There is more to it than we think.
The clan were the founders, they must have felt that they were being segregated by limiting them to police force only. Like I said; lopsided treatment. Supericially, it seemed like some sort of honour, but internally, it was a method to limit their power. The way the acted rashly to plant a spy there and then wipe out the clan over whimsical reasons proves my point even further.
I'll call it a tyrannical government; go my way, or die. I think Uchihas made a huge mistake turning their backs on Madara. Their poor decision came back to haunt them decades later.