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    Meryem vs Every Hunter Survival match

    Meryem has been poisoned by the Poor Man's Rose (Viz translation also it's named after a song interestingly enough). Let's say he has...3 hours left to live.

    Meryem must kill every single Hunter in the world before he dies.

    The Hunters must survive.

    Who wins?

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    Re: Meryem vs Every Hunter Survival match

    Novu can just hide in his pocket dimension. Meryem presumably can't detect where the entrance is.

    But assuming he knows the Hunters are located in a particular location (can be big, but not arbitarily big) and you don't have something like Novu's ability, he can easily scan the whole area and just blast the areas he can't detect and nobody is going to survive that.

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    Re: Meryem vs Every Hunter Survival match

    Quote Originally Posted by Phantron View Post
    Novu can just hide in his pocket dimension. Meryem presumably can't detect where the entrance is.

    But assuming he knows the Hunters are located in a particular location (can be big, but not arbitarily big) and you don't have something like Novu's ability, he can easily scan the whole area and just blast the areas he can't detect and nobody is going to survive that.
    the whole area of the entire planet? For the sake of simplicity Outside won't be included.

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    Re: Meryem vs Every Hunter Survival match

    Quote Originally Posted by mrsticky005 View Post
    the whole area of the entire planet? For the sake of simplicity Outside won't be included.
    It took him a few minutes to cover from presumably outskirts of the capital back to his palace so there's no way he can cover the entire world in 3 hours so whoever happens to be physically further away then the distance Meryem can cover in 3 hours will easily survive. He's fast but we're not talking about 'I came back from a trip around the world' DBZ kind of fast.

    But if you assume that he only has to cover an area that he can physically get across in 3 hours then there's no way the Hunters will survive. His En can detect everything that isn't covered, and he can just throw aura blast down from air if he sees an obstruction. For that matter, he can just start by destroying everything until there's nothing left.

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    Re: Meryem vs Every Hunter Survival match

    Quote Originally Posted by Phantron View Post
    It took him a few minutes to cover from presumably outskirts of the capital back to his palace so there's no way he can cover the entire world in 3 hours so whoever happens to be physically further away then the distance Meryem can cover in 3 hours will easily survive. He's fast but we're not talking about 'I came back from a trip around the world' DBZ kind of fast.

    But if you assume that he only has to cover an area that he can physically get across in 3 hours then there's no way the Hunters will survive. His En can detect everything that isn't covered, and he can just throw aura blast down from air if he sees an obstruction. For that matter, he can just start by destroying everything until there's nothing left.

    Yes...but wouldn't the Hunters also be trying to kill him? Not to mention the world military and all that. Poor Man's Rose was a small bomb after all
    and it took Pouf to revive him from what was likely immediate death. Of course due to the poison Meryem died anyways despite him stronger than ever.

    What's to stop the Hunters from nuking the crap out of him?

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    Re: Meryem vs Every Hunter Survival match

    Quote Originally Posted by mrsticky005 View Post
    Yes...but wouldn't the Hunters also be trying to kill him? Not to mention the world military and all that. Poor Man's Rose was a small bomb after all
    and it took Pouf to revive him from what was likely immediate death. Of course due to the poison Meryem died anyways despite him stronger than ever.

    What's to stop the Hunters from nuking the crap out of him?
    Hunters don't have access to that kind of technology. Netero got one because he had the backing of whatever the world government is in HXH. I mean Hunters as a group of people aren't exactly stable. You got basically a psycho as Vice Chairman (Pariston), and you don't have to look very far to see other crazy guys they let in (Ilumi, Hisoka, and probably a lot more we don't know about). Why on earth would you give a technology that can easily start a world war to these guys?

    So if you're talking about Hunters, Meryem can just nuke them from air because Hunters don't have anything to deal with flying foe, and even if some of them could somehow fly it's not like any of them possibly have a chance of beating Meryem in air combat or any other kind of combat. I suppose you can always say some Hunter might have some ultra cheap ability but that'd just be pure speculation.

    Now if Meryem was assaulting the nation the Hunter HQ happened to be in, you still have problem because Meryem has a long detection range + high speed, so since he knows what the Rose does now he can just fly away before it exploded. He'd still get caught in the explosion but if you assume the explosive power drops off quickly as you get away from the center then he shouldn't suffer fatal damage, and meanwhile anybody anywhere near him when the Rose go off is totally dead. He'd probably get poisoned again but since he's already poisoned it's not a huge deal. Sure each time you drop a Rose near him it'd definitely do some damage to him but you also wouldn't have much of a country left after a few of these things. You can probably stop him but it'd probably ruin an entire nation with the amount of explosives you got to use.

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    Re: Meryem vs Every Hunter Survival match

    Quote Originally Posted by Phantron View Post
    Hunters don't have access to that kind of technology. Netero got one because he had the backing of whatever the world government is in HXH. I mean Hunters as a group of people aren't exactly stable. You got basically a psycho as Vice Chairman (Pariston), and you don't have to look very far to see other crazy guys they let in (Ilumi, Hisoka, and probably a lot more we don't know about). Why on earth would you give a technology that can easily start a world war to these guys?

    So if you're talking about Hunters, Meryem can just nuke them from air because Hunters don't have anything to deal with flying foe, and even if some of them could somehow fly it's not like any of them possibly have a chance of beating Meryem in air combat or any other kind of combat. I suppose you can always say some Hunter might have some ultra cheap ability but that'd just be pure speculation.

    Now if Meryem was assaulting the nation the Hunter HQ happened to be in, you still have problem because Meryem has a long detection range + high speed, so since he knows what the Rose does now he can just fly away before it exploded. He'd still get caught in the explosion but if you assume the explosive power drops off quickly as you get away from the center then he shouldn't suffer fatal damage, and meanwhile anybody anywhere near him when the Rose go off is totally dead. He'd probably get poisoned again but since he's already poisoned it's not a huge deal. Sure each time you drop a Rose near him it'd definitely do some damage to him but you also wouldn't have much of a country left after a few of these things. You can probably stop him but it'd probably ruin an entire nation with the amount of explosives you got to use.

    I'm assuming the Hunters DO get the backing from the world government due to
    the threat that Meryem poses.

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    Re: Meryem vs Every Hunter Survival match

    Quote Originally Posted by mrsticky005 View Post
    I'm assuming the Hunters DO get the backing from the world government due to
    the threat that Meryem poses.
    Knuckles stated that a world level military can defeat Meryem and I see no reason to question that. I don't think they'd use Rose even with the world level military just because throwing one of those down in the middle of a populated area means pretty much everyone is dead and you also risk the poison spreading and wiping out an entire nation.

    Pufu referred to Rose as 'strong explosives' so it's not like the power output of the Rose is something he cannot imagine humans have. Yes there was a blurb about bombs don't work on the Ants but I assume they mean like suicide bombers who only have cheap explosives. Military grade bombs/explosives ought to affect Meryem even in his second form. It won't do much damage to him but it'll eventually add up. It'd be a really bloody mess at the end though. It'd probably be like Naruto where the Raikage with super offense/defense fought against ten thousand ninjas. You'd probably have to use enough conventional weapon to level several cities before you can stop Meryem, and in such a fight the Hunters really wouldn't have much of a place. After all, any explosives strong enough to hurt Meryem will blow up whatever Hunters that are fighting near him, and you don't even want Hunters around really because Meryem can just eat them and get even more powerful.

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    Re: Meryem vs Every Hunter Survival match

    Quote Originally Posted by Phantron View Post
    Knuckles stated that a world level military can defeat Meryem and I see no reason to question that. I don't think they'd use Rose even with the world level military just because throwing one of those down in the middle of a populated area means pretty much everyone is dead and you also risk the poison spreading and wiping out an entire nation.

    Pufu referred to Rose as 'strong explosives' so it's not like the power output of the Rose is something he cannot imagine humans have. Yes there was a blurb about bombs don't work on the Ants but I assume they mean like suicide bombers who only have cheap explosives. Military grade bombs/explosives ought to affect Meryem even in his second form. It won't do much damage to him but it'll eventually add up. It'd be a really bloody mess at the end though. It'd probably be like Naruto where the Raikage with super offense/defense fought against ten thousand ninjas. You'd probably have to use enough conventional weapon to level several cities before you can stop Meryem, and in such a fight the Hunters really wouldn't have much of a place. After all, any explosives strong enough to hurt Meryem will blow up whatever Hunters that are fighting near him, and you don't even want Hunters around really because Meryem can just eat them and get even more powerful.
    Well the only conditions for the Hunters to win is at least one of them must survive for the next 3 hours until Meryem dies from the Rose poisoning (as mentioned in the OP.)
    So it's just a matter of can the Hunters hold Meryem back long enough?

    Also the royal guards are already dead.

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    Re: Meryem vs Every Hunter Survival match

    Quote Originally Posted by mrsticky005 View Post
    Well the only conditions for the Hunters to win is at least one of them must survive for the next 3 hours until Meryem dies from the Rose poisoning (as mentioned in the OP.)
    So it's just a matter of can the Hunters hold Meryem back long enough?

    Also the royal guards are already dead.
    There's no way to hold him back in a straight fight because each Hunter killed by Meryem makes him stronger so you can't even try to wear him down. Note that a regular army can actually wear Meryem down because he does not get stronger for eating ordinary humans.

    But if you're just trying to stall enough time until Meryem dies from poison I'm sure the Hunters can pull it off. Novu alone can escape really easily. Any kind of deep underground facility would work too.

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    Re: Meryem vs Every Hunter Survival match

    Quote Originally Posted by Phantron View Post
    There's no way to hold him back in a straight fight because each Hunter killed by Meryem makes him stronger so you can't even try to wear him down. Note that a regular army can actually wear Meryem down because he does not get stronger for eating ordinary humans.

    But if you're just trying to stall enough time until Meryem dies from poison I'm sure the Hunters can pull it off. Novu alone can escape really easily. Any kind of deep underground facility would work too.
    This is what I'm aiming for. I did say only one needs to survive for hunters to win
    but the goal for the hunters should be all of them alive or many as possible.

    So what would be the best outcome?

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    Re: Meryem vs Every Hunter Survival match

    Quote Originally Posted by mrsticky005 View Post
    This is what I'm aiming for. I did say only one needs to survive for hunters to win
    but the goal for the hunters should be all of them alive or many as possible.

    So what would be the best outcome?
    It really depends on how this situation occurred. Is it Meryem going on a rampage and you're just trying to see who manages to escape alive before he dies from the poison? Or are you trying to minimize total collatoral damage to civilians as well? Do the Hunters even know Meryem's about to die from the poison?

    Since En cannot cover underground, if the goal is survival you just dig under a deep underground bunker and hide there for three hours.

    If the goal is to minimize damage to everything else Meryem might blow up, that'd be better served by the national army because each Hunter killed by Meryem only makes him stronger.

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    Re: Meryem vs Every Hunter Survival match

    Quote Originally Posted by Phantron View Post
    It really depends on how this situation occurred. Is it Meryem going on a rampage and you're just trying to see who manages to escape alive before he dies from the poison? Or are you trying to minimize total collatoral damage to civilians as well? Do the Hunters even know Meryem's about to die from the poison?

    Since En cannot cover underground, if the goal is survival you just dig under a deep underground bunker and hide there for three hours.

    If the goal is to minimize damage to everything else Meryem might blow up, that'd be better served by the national army because each Hunter killed by Meryem only makes him stronger.
    Imagine it as if Meryem never had a change of heart in the series and thought
    "Well if I'm gonna die. I'm taking them with me."

    Both the Hunters and Meryem know he will die.

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    Re: Meryem vs Every Hunter Survival match

    That still depends on whether the goal for the Hunters is trying to minimize number of their deaths versus number of total collatoral damage.

    If the goal is everyone for themselves just start digging holes or at least put yourself inside a cardboard box MGS style. You got to avoid the En if you're supposed to have any hope of survival.

    If the goal is protect other ordinary people too, well, they probably have no chance of succeeding and would just die anyway, so maybe it'll turn into the first scenario regardless.

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    Re: Meryem vs Every Hunter Survival match

    Quote Originally Posted by Phantron View Post
    That still depends on whether the goal for the Hunters is trying to minimize number of their deaths versus number of total collatoral damage.

    If the goal is everyone for themselves just start digging holes or at least put yourself inside a cardboard box MGS style. You got to avoid the En if you're supposed to have any hope of survival.

    If the goal is protect other ordinary people too, well, they probably have no chance of succeeding and would just die anyway, so maybe it'll turn into the first scenario regardless.
    I think it would be a combination of the two. Of course you can't save everyone.

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