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Personally, I'd prefer that we just start with a Night 1 phase and skip the Day 1 phase as we seem to just randomly lynch someone with only a small chance of killing a mafia member, instantly putting the townies at a disadvantage. If we started with the Night 1 phase, people would die and the remaining players would have to respond and we could get a sense of things better with people making excuses, explanations, everything. In the Day 1 phase, half of the people barely show up and basically just make the requisite post or two and vote for someone usually random.
That's totally pro-mafia, imo... When we randomly lynch someone during day 1, we have the chance of lynching a mafia member. But if we start with a night phase, unless we have two mafias or whatever, we'll always start with a dead townie. So I don't see how that could be better to townies o.o
The mafia have to make a random choice, and it's not as if the mafia have to base their opening kill on anything. If lawlett were a mafia member, he'd probably try to kill sakura at some point (not the first night as that would be too obvious, but...)
Besides the mafia killings are not random. They are based upon prejudices people built up from previous games (or even like you said outside the game) and from the first day phase. If they were truly random then every townie would have an equal chance of being lynched by the mafia at the beginning, but that would not be the case. If I was a mafia member in that game, the first person I would think of lynching would be you or xi0 because I believe you are strong players. This is something I built up from playing previous games. There would similar thoughts occurring to others. That would not be a random vote.
Besides the whole thing is based upon the assumption that nothing happens in the first day phase which is a false premise. Take for instance my previous scenario, if I was in the first day phase I could attract Mafia attention, I could avoid mafia attention, I could place suspicion on them or any number of things that could affect the game. My contribution to the game in that case would not have been cut short. The point I am trying to labour towards is that you have to give the people the chance to actually play the game, it should include the chance for someone to actually affect their outcome. And a (not so) random killing in the beginning takes that away.
Last edited by Imperium; November 27, 2012 at 08:47 PM.
When you play Mafia IRL, every group I've ever played with starts with a Night phase, although it is much different when you're in person as opposed to playing on the internet as you can judge facial expressions, reactions, and comments much better in person, and you can only judge based on comments when playing on the internet.
Yeah, I know. I think Gary would probably go first if there were a Night 1, especially as he has more experience playing with all of you than I do, but I'd probably be in the first few to be mafia killed. I admit that at times, if you start with a Night phase, certain players may not get to participate in the game at all as the Mafia would just take them out during Night 1 and be done with them, which is something that I have experienced when I've played with a group of people over a period of time IRL. At least half the time, we just lynched one of our friends in the first three rounds just because. :P
'...Last night the police got wind about mafia gathering, but when they arrived they only caught the image of the newest recruit, sadly it was too dark to recognize him and a wild chase begun' then we townie and mafia talk during night 1 and at the end of the night phase the mafia manages to kill of a townie. Then day phase begins.
on the other hand we could make 1-st day phase shorter, but that would pute those who can't get to a PC at a disadvantage.
Ah, I'm sick of reading and making long posts!
So where's your kdowns now? Huh-huh sakura? HUH HUH????
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Charlie? Seriously, what the hell man. Was it peer pressure that made you sign up? What was the point? You did the exact same thing in your first and only game before.
I'm in favour of night phase first for future games
dont this game start tomorrow?