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if it's true that there is abit of Luciela inside Riful as I mention earlier.....
as they have a grudge against Priscilla and the "Ghost's" both seeking payback.
I wouldn't be surprise if Riful sense Priscilla close and goes to her without anyone
Priscilla is definitely way stronger than Raciella, however, the merged siblings have enough power to seal and disable her. I think that's the reason why Priscilla won't just fly to Cassandra.
Regarding Riful, I really don't know what the hell she is. I'm leaning towards her being infected but it just doesn't add up considering how she only had small yoki left at the time and it would've eventually drained by the infected rods then the rods would die. There's also the possibility that she was carrying a child inside her all this time, feeding or consuming the small yoki that was left with the lower body of her mother.
Sorry for bringing that up now but I didn't have the time/wasn't in the mood to do it earlier even though I wanted to.
Yes, the first male AB Clare fought didn't kill Clare or other three warriors but it was only thanks to Clare - main character of the story. It was also a chance to get to know a few interesting new things and some very interesting characters (like Galatea or Miria who at the time was intriguing, now I find her boring). It has also set things up for the future events (like hearing that Miria learned Org's greatest secret or names of #1-5). It was actually very well done despite the lack of deaths. And I would have no problem if Miria's attack would mean the same. Unfortunately the difference here was that her opponent wasn't a third rank AB (even taking into account how much stronger Miria got, these ABs they were fighting were light years ahead of this male AB, exponentially stronger) and the things we got in exchange were almost non-existent. It would be a different story if Yagi wouldn't direct 3 super powerful ABs against Miria but instead let other Claymores deal with her. It would be a different thing if someone like Raftela didn't exist or Miria wouldn't be revived. Alas, Yagi chose the most ridiculous way of handling the situation at hand and basically has enabled a god mode for them. And that I don't like at all.
You can't make an omelette without breaking eggs.
Last edited by Goral; November 21, 2012 at 06:37 AM.
I find myself in agreement with LittleAngel. While death is a common theme and vehicle for plot development, it wasn't the focus of the Manga. I have always found the themes of friendship, family and love far more impressive. Yagi uses "death" as a means of reiterating and confirming the importance of such relations. The passing of one so herald will leave a lasting impact, if not a permanent wound, on your soul. If you look at the some of the pivotal moments in the story "death" serves this purpose. The death of Teresa and Jean forever shaped our little Clare, for the better or worse. Isley, the power hungry despot, lamented the loss of Raki and Priscilla. Like Teresa, he died protecting those he love. That's quite a turn around from someone who sought nothing but control and power at the onset.
Absolutely, death is important in Claymore but I don't believe Yagi intended to highlight death. In regards to your assessment of the later chapters, I'm with you 100%.
Remember it is a shounen manga and it is not meant for an audience "usually" more than 20yo, it's depicting the evolution of a chara in the world to reach the "valliant heart" statu, like a fearless and fierce hero. There is not really (except for "otaku") hided plot or signification or message, all is easy understandable and the target audience of the manga must be able to find something they can rely on within the hero. So, the mater of life and death is not a central discussion in the manga.
Claymore in indeed mature manga, can't imagine little kids looking at all those death scenes ( not to mention nude scenes ), sadistic and heavy moments.
Yeah, 5 more days until mystery is solved
I wonder if well get an explanation into how Riful has revived herself ??
Well it was said that it wasn't quite Riful. But I am curious of what it really is and where it came from. It has some sort of connection to Riful though.Quote:
I find the theory of the new Riful actually being Riful & Dauph's child the most fascinating, and it wouldn't break the story, other than possibly physiology-wise
Goral is spot on. The question here isn't about "is Claymore about death or not?" The most important question is "why isn't Yagi allowing Claymores who've lived way past their purpose and storyline to die?" Miria: should have been dead as heck during the zombie No.1's fight! I mean, what.. oh, and then, the Claymores pull off some kind of weird trampoline crud, and Miria's sword-in-mouth, etc. Lol. Miria was useful like Goral had said way back when to let us know who was who and generally move the future arcs further. You can definitely say that she is central to the Rebellion super-arc which took many many chapters to come to a fruition. But, even given this, what better time for Miria to die than when she is fighting against one of the resurectees??? She gets to complete her goal, and die gloriously all in one great ending to an arc. Yagi could have had maybe 3 or 4 claymores + Raki sneak off the battlefield while the zombie No.1's finished each other off ... all with the exact same outcome of Cassandra surviving. This outcome would have been far more dark and desperate and would have led the current story to have a much more somber and dangerous tone. Also, it would have forced Clare into Miria's current position later on. Instead right now, what we have is an abundance of leadership-type claymores (Miria, Clare, Galatea, heck even Deneve in a pinch) standing around overlapping roles and generally their inter-dialogue is now awkward. Which brings me to the next point:
The claymores in Rabona now have an awkward dynamic; you could even say that they have no dynamic. They barely reflect on each other, or themselves. Most painful example is Clare&Raki. What is that about? They barely speak to each other, and it's funny as heck that Raki actually breaks the news about his relationship to Islley&Priscilla to these unknown awakened beings, before he even tells the claymores? What? I mean, he had several days on the ship bound for Rabona to chat it up about all this to Miria or anyone on that ship. They were on a ship ffs, what else are you going to do but sleep and talk? It's just weird. So in essence, the claymores now have too many "leaders" or potential leaders and in the end no one is really talking to each other or anything. Miria just constantly steps in with her wooden dialogue, no one objects or expresses any feeling about anything. The end. This is why Miria should have died when she was supposed to die. She was a vehicle in a critical arc regarding the Organization. Now that she's basically a "plot zombie", it is painfully showing in the manga.
I don't know about Miria dying, but I do think that she should get the hell out of the spotlight. It was fine when Clare was gone but now that she is back she needs to take back her rightful place as the main character. And Miria and Deneve should have less of a part. In the last chapter Clare got very few panels while Miria got so many. It was ridiculous. We should have a Clare centered chapter (maybe with Raki in it too). I agree with you on how strange it is that Raki and Clare haven't really spoken. Their reunion was cut short and we never saw what happened after that. I wanted to see Clare's reaction to Raki. It seems that they are being written apart. I suspect that something is going to happen during the battle with Priscilla; something that involves Raki and reveals his relation to priscilla.Quote: