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Translations: Bleach 595 (2)
Singles 1 Echizen Ryoma Oni Juujirou Title Super Rookie of the East Gatekeeper of Hell School Seishun Gakuen 1st Year High School 3rd Year Height 151 cm 187 cm Weight 50 kg 83 kg Dominant Hand Left Right Playstyle All Rounder Aggressive Baseliner Techniques Twist Serve
Muga no Kyouchi
Black Jack Knife
Serve order: Oni -> Echizen
This round ends on Tuesday, October 9th 8 PM GMT.
Cast your vote and discuss (logically) why you voted for who you voted for. Have fun, but keep it clean!
Last edited by Kaoz; October 07, 2012 at 02:59 AM.
Konomi actually changed the Kaji versus Oni game in volume 8 (I think? could be 7) from just 'sort of close' to 'total blowout' and Kaji saying Oni went to a level above Black Jack Knife.
If you assume Black Jack Knife is equilvaent to 10-ball that means Oni has another level above that so I'll give the edge to Oni for now. Ryoma wins if not taking the revised information in mind, as Oni has yet to shown any power above the Black Jack Knife level in the serials.
I'm going with Ryoma. I'm pretty almost 100% sure Ryoma is going to challenged someone higher than 5th rank, and he will win. So I don't see Oni winning this.
How is Ryoma going to return BJK? "Ten'imuhou no Kiwami cannot be used by any character"
Oni destroys Ryoma's wrists and wins this by default.
Wait, all doors of Muga are not allowed? I thought it was just Ten'imuhou no Kiwami. A controlled Hyaku Ren Jitoku no Kiwami is very deadly, as we saw VS Yukimura (before Echizen got Yipped)
I guess this also opens up the discussion of the limits of Hyaku Ren Jitoku no Kiwami. Can you easily return such a high power technique like BJK (Tomahawk is anime only but is probably the next level of BJK) or 108th Hadouyukuu? Chitose nullified the effects by hitting weak shots, so could you nullify the effects by hitting super powerful ones?
Any explanation or answer is appreciated.
Kintaro effortlessly returned this, and blew away Oni's gimmick racket in one return.
Back then, Kintaro couldn't even hit 5 at a time. BJK isn't something to overrate. It's also Momoshiro's technique now lol.
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Black Jack Knife is likely just a normal move for a 10 baller. Like I said that's why in the volumes Konomi revised Oni's power by having Kaji saying Oni has a level above BJK (and I guess it also implies he can return BJK, so you don't wonder what was he doing in the team). Oni with whatever his BJK+ move has to be favored over Ryoma who only shows standard 10-ball level. But using only the serial in mind, BJK looks too simple of a move for a 10-baller so Ryoma has the edge. That's probably why Oni got upgraded between the serials and the volumes.
Momoshiro used it. Are you saying he is a 10baller?
Oni's ten ball move is likely what he used to dispatch Kaji.
So like I said. BJK can't be a move specifically for a 10baller.
But then since I'm pretty sure any 10-baller can crush a G11-20 without using any special moves, this means BJK is likely a weak move at the 10-baller tier.
So given the serialized information I'd say Ryoma is stronger. The revised Kaji vs Oni game significantly boosted Oni's power. Before it looked like Kaji was just random court 3 level guy they grabbed to fill Oni's spot, but in the volume it's implied he can return BJK (he lost to a BJK+ level attack) and yet Oni still totally crushed him.
It should be pretty clear Oni is one of the major characters in NPOT. He told Duke to only use 60% against a middle schooler, which implies he thinks 60% of his power is sufficient even though Duke believes using 60% of his full power might result in him losing the game. That said he really hasn't done anything really impressive so far, which is why he supposed to have an upgrade in the volumes. I don't have the latest volume so I can't say for sure, but the scans looks legit.
here's the page.
Ryoma wins this. I see him perfectly returning BJK and using Hyakuren to deal with Oni's upgrade. Still ryoma has to show more from mountain training, Konomi is waiting for him to play and give him a really strong upgrade. So yeah, assuming that he'll face a rank lower than No.5 and win automatically he is above Oni. Ryoma has amazing technique and will counter Oni's special moves,also muga and the fiirst two doors will make him win.
To those who think Ryoma can't return BJK, Kintarou comfortably return it BEFORE mountain training. Echizen surely have enough technique to return it. And Serious Oni is something we haven't seen yet, so I don't know if you want to take that into consideration. Even if you were, you also should take the hype Ryoma have into consideration too. I really don't see Ryoma losing this, at all.
Muga no Kyouchi! ryoma! he saw ryoga return G10 #1 's Byoudin's super power glowing tennis ball
MAJOR EDIT: in ryoma's techniques box is missing MUGA NO kyouchi k, Hyrakuren, and 2nd door to muga?
so they are banned?
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10 baller is a person who is fast enough to hit 10 balls. no where does it state black jack kniefe is dependent on hitting speed and accuracy of a player.