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Translations: Gintama 515 (2)
its not about seeing through npot or pot techs. the black aura is speculated to give sanada a stat boost, and yips immunity. its not a technique used with a shot, like twist serve or bjk, that is used to over power the opponent or make them not return the shot.
its only speculation. also i fogot if the black aura was constant while fighting yuki, or it just turned on then off.
in short , yuki, usually sees through special moves that make it across the net with the ball
Yuki returned everything Sanada had until BA. That is an un yipped Sanada as well.
He returned almost everything Ryoma had too.
Yuki doesn't depend on his opponent not playing tennis. It just gives a massive advantage. Base Yuki is strong anyway.
It's not like Sanada was ever close to taking a point off of him without BA.
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I see Tezuka and Fuji being the top at the end. (Excluding Sanada).
what a scary thought. yuki being far above sanada. his level is much higher.
also i wonder how the yuki vs tezuka match played out way back in teh memories.
Can Yukimura return Fifth Counter cleanly? And can he anticipate and catch Fuji's cord balls? Can he return Sixth Counter?
Just because Yukimura can see through a technique, doesn't mean that he can actually return it.
Really good match, but Fuji won't get a single game here. Yukimura will return all of Fuji's counters easily, including Hoshi Hanabi after dropping one point. Even if Fuji plays with CE, it's pretty much the same as with Fuwa, he'll get yipped quickly and Yukimura gets a really comfortable 6-0
Yukimura's base tennis>>>>>>>Fuji
Really and truly Sanada just changed between drop shots and hitting it hard all over the place.
You really think Top tier players can't hit drop shots or hit it hard all over the place?
Many top guys won't be cornered by TZ.
TPhantom is another story.
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Tezuka Zone is based off hitting special shots with sidespin actually.
It isn't as fearful as TPhantom since the ball has to go back to Tezuka and he has to return it.
TPhantom is scarier.
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However 5th Counter was easily returned perfectly by Niou back in PoT.
Here in SPoT, the Top tier guys will surely handle it cleanly.
@Fuji Shusuke, returning 5th Counter perfectly shouldn't be hard with someone who has superior technique.
This means Fuji won't get the chance to hit Hoshi Hanabi since it requires a Cord Ball.
Cord Balls barely occur in matches anyway.
And I doubt anybody is returning Hoshi Hanabi right now.
I think there's a difference between Kirihara distracting with noise and somebody completely taking your sight and hearing...
Needless to say, I don't think Fuji will win in this situation.
God's sake, Yuki returned FuuRinKaInZanRai without dropping a sweat. Fuji won't do that never. Fuji is not on Yuki's level, I think he'll be by the end of Shin, but right now, Yukimura is levels above.
After Sanada broke out of Yips, Yuki still took points off of him.
So nothing says that Yuki isn't near the top in terms of rallying if you're going to go by that.
Ryoma only could take a point off of Yuki with Hyakkuren that moves around the body. Something which Tezuka couldn't do. So we can assume this appears in extremely rare cases since only the main character pulled it off.
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It was just amazing.
It's true it isn't impossible and sooner or later, the top tier guys will have to be able to return it, but it looked so amazing in the OVA's.
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That said at that point Sanada clearly hasn't quite figured out how the aura works so you can't expect him to fully break out of yips. All the aura proves is that something can break out of yips (otherwise he wouldn't score a point), and that there are things Yukimura do not understand (he fears the aura). In his POT final boss status he'd just say: "That aura is useless!" and counter it, but in NPOT it shows there are techniques/buffs/whatever that Yukimura cannot just counter at will.
Prior to yips, Sanada and Yukimura are still on the first point until Sanada finally failed to return a point due to yips. Now, this shows Yukimura is one of the top rally guys but this doesn't mean he is THE top. There's no indication that, in the absence of yips, why Sanada can't keep the rally going forever. Looking at the physique presumably Sanada even has better endurance, and we also got guys who can rally for 40 minutes at once (Ryoma/Kintarou). Atobe is another classic endurance player. While there's no indication they can score a point off Yukimura, there's alos no indication Yukimura can score a point off these guys without yips. So you'd just get into an endurance match and one would have to assume that can't possibly be his strong point since he just had a major surgery and all that at least compared to the mega endurance guys.
Yukimura can't flat out hit through Tezuka Zone. Otherwise, he'd simply say: "Hyakuren aura is useless" and skip the whole Tezuka part. If he can hit through Tezuka Zone effortlessly, it'd make no difference whether it was Ryoma or Tezuka that's using the Hyakuren aura. We know from his description that the Hyakuren aura's weakness is that it slows you down since you're concentrating all your aura on your hand. If he's immune to Tezuka Zone, then you'd expect the exact same outcome if he played Tezuka compared to Ryoma. Yet Yukimura specifically said that Ryoma is not yet at the level of Tezuka, implying that the outcome would be different against Tezuka.
Now of course Yukimura as is isn't going to lose to Tezuka (national finals level) either, but Hyakuren aura + TZone = threat to him. We can see when Ryoma overcome the speed issue Hyakuren aura was giving him problem.
Last edited by Phantron; October 10, 2012 at 08:05 PM.
that's what I kind of hate about yukimura.Quote:
some players he cant beat with regular rallies becuase they keep returning the ball back to him........ so he activates yips to stop them. i mean in long dragged out match yuki will probably win, but he says fck it. YIPS TIME.
For what it's worth, here are my thoughts to what has been said.
Black Aura is NOT A TECHNIQUE. Every single Aura/State in the entire series simply has a boost in base stats which may or may not in effect grant someone the ability to do something (ex: Saiki's boost in Mental grants them enough mind power to accurately predict shots / Hyakuren's boost in power and technique grants the ability to return shots and send them back at twice the power, etc)
Selfless State - Boost in speed and technique, decrease in stamina.
Devil State - Boost in speed, power, and technique
Hyakuren Aura - Boost in power and technique
Saiki Aura - Boost in mental
Perfection Aura - Boost in speed, power, mental, stamina, and technique
Black Aura - Probably the same ^
As for Tezuka Zone, I do not believe just because Sanada was able to break it that Yukimura could do the same. Sanada is a tank when it comes to power. Yukimura is a full-blooded technician. Yuki does not have the power that comes out of Sanada, so I don't believe he is physically strong enough to be effective with the same method Sanada used. In fact, I think T-Zone is the one technique that would actually give Tezuka the upper hand against Yukimura. Reason being, it is deadly when paired together with Hyakuren and Saiki at the same time (excluding that whole PoP thing Tezuka has now..)
Not even Airgrimes would agree with this.Originally Posted by ashore