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Translations: Bleach 600 (2)
Last edited by freshseth83; July 17, 2013 at 03:20 PM.
Wow the Ichigo vs Shinji fight was surprisingly close, I think that really says something about the thought process of voters here if the main character has to scrape out victories instead of lolhyping his way to the end with ease.
"Our reiatsus aren't that different" (Unohana's statement #1), talking to Ichigo with half (Ichigo's statement) of his reiatsu, that is considered captain-class (Unohana's statement#2). So if Unohana compared herself to captain-class saying it's not really different, what does it mean?
She was speaking in general terms. Captain class reiatsu. Not literally the same amount. She said their reiatsu isn't too different, nothing about the amount. She obviously has massive amounts of reiatsu to use her own to heal herself. How do you self heal in bleach unless you're a hollow with regenerative abilities? Only Aizen and Unohana have shown to do this, and Aizen relied on the Hoguyoku.
Also, you have no base to say, that healing yourself requires high amount of reiatsu. It's your assumption, as you can't understand how it can work differently. And I won't blame you for it, but stop saying like it is a fact and use it as argument. You won't convince me with baseless assumption that you made up to get the impression you know what's going on in this manga.
So basically, you say you use your own reiatsu to heal body/reiatsu. Unohana states, that healing reiatsu is common thing for Shinigami. So you want to tell me, that if you want to heal for example Kenpachi, you need the whole squad for that? Or to call Unohana because she might be able to heal some part of his reiatsu? Kirinji's hell blood pond doesn't really use his reiatsu. It uses reiatsu of a special-made pond. And it doesn't seem like it has to be recharged. Everything is made of reiatsu >.< Body as well.
So we have Ichigo, who is currently on a captain level reiatsu and it is half, so he has whole next captain level reiatsu to restore. Unohana says she has captain-level reiatsu. So she used up all her reiatsu, then during Ichigo's fight she healed Hiyori, that was cut in half. That makes so much sense. Look at Inoue. She can heal Ichigo and she is NOWHERE close in terms of reiatsu to him. She can heal his entire reiatsu and heal his every wound. So it pretty much PROVES, that there is a way to heal someone and that someone's reiatsu without using much of a reiatsu. Can you prove, that Medical Kido isn't like that too? Takes perfect control of reiatsu and can heal more while being very "cheap" in reiatsu? Of course it's different than Inoue's power. But you have no proof, that it doesn't use as little energy. You can prove one thing, it is Kido afterall, so it needs at least ONE spirit particle.
You make no sense. She stated our reiatsu isn't much different. Isn't much different =/= the same amount. This was way before Ichigo even talked about the amount he had. Your theory makes no sense because that would mean Ichigo dpesn't know the reiatsu someone like Unohana or a Captain has. Not only that but you changed up what I actually said... "she uses her own to heal herself" to your blatantly false misrpresentative "call the whole squad" for healing someone else. Leave the arguing to someone that knows how to appropriately discern someone's words.
Last edited by freshseth83; July 24, 2013 at 04:12 PM.
Back to the main topic. He didn't say anything about Unohana, he explicitly said "with reiatsu of a captain". He already should have known Zaraki's, Byakuya's and many other's reiatsu. So you're completely right, Ichigo is an idiot. But saying that Ichigo not knowing that makes my statement wrong is... wrong. Because the whole basis for my statement is taken from UNOHANA'S statement. Ichigo saying he had only half is just addition and has nothing to do with Unohana comparing her reiatsu to a captain-class exhausted-Ichigo reiatsu.
PS. I guess if you could counter my arguments you would have done so long time ago, but you keep going with made up statements and saying I changed something. If you want proper discussion, discuss, don't bitch about me changing anything when I have done no such thing.
I don't have the desire to respond to your posts. You obviously don't get it. Don't act like I claim something when all the while you're rehashing things I've said you have been guilty of. Thats being hypocritical, and thats why imo your posts aren't worth reading let alone replying to. If you don't get what I mean, I'll explain once more for you...
Unohana uses her own reiatsu to use kaido on herself... the self healing? That means she has so much of it that she can sustain serious injury and still go on about it after healing herself. That means she has a 'resevoir' of reiatsu just to be able to use this ability. Your comparison to Ichigo is trying to justify why you believe she is like any "captain class" shinigami. I don't get your hang up on the issue. No one but Zaraki is stronger. But not even he has the ability to heal himself. So whatever your gripe is, just save it. Theres nothing to argue over. Ichigo has nothing to do with the amount of reiatsu Unohana has.
Last edited by freshseth83; July 27, 2013 at 02:48 AM.
The third assumption is, that using kaido makes your reiatsu high. If so, then everyone in Squad 4, that is, by the way, considered THE WEAKEST AND MOST USELESS IN BATTLE squad, should have OUTSTANDING reiatsu to heal someone. But it's not like that. Using Kaido doesn't mean having big reiatsu. 4th Squad is a squad of outcasts without reiatsu, talent and abilities. Those without reiatsu are being made into healers. Which makes your theory a crap basically.
The only thing we know is Isane has formidable reiatsu.
Oh, you got it finally! Ichigo is NOT relevant there, just Unohana's statement, that captain-class reiatsu he had is similar to hers. I NEVER said, she is captain-class Shinigami. I just said, that her reiatsu is captain-class. Reiatsu and it's control is one of 5 factors. There is zanjutsu, reiatsu, hakuda, kido and shunpo. If you think that reiatsu is the most important, you're just wrong. Soifon uses Shunko and her reiatsu isn't anything special. Why would using a Kaido be a factor, if Shunko isn't?Quote:
And I told you at the beggining, prove something...
Last edited by Duniak; July 27, 2013 at 05:24 PM.
Kenpachi and urahara have been fighting for a while now...is the next round comming soon?
Figured Urahara would win. Lets see how Ichigo vs Unohana turns out.
I guess it's a bit too late but I'll mention it anyway in case the same subject comes up in the next fight, I don't have any problem with Urahara using his portable gigai or reiatsu cuffs in tournament fights. Even if reiatsu cuffs is a device, it can be considered standard equipment Urahara carries and uses in any fight if necessary unlike Yoruichi's armor which was used under special circumstances against a known enemy and isn't a part of Yoruichi's normal fighting routine. I don't think reiatsu cuffs is an instant "game over" against cautious opponents who may avoid it but nonetheless Urahara is an intelligent and tricky person and surely makes things as tough as possible for his opponents.
Didn't Urahara develop those cuffs specifically for Aizen? And didn't he say he only made one of them? I disagree with it being "standard equipment", but obviously others feel differently.
The reiatsu cuffs are a seal. Chapter 402, deicide 4, Urahara describes it as a seal, and also says Aizen was touched twice. Not to mention he had preparation time to ready this sealing technique. These fights aren't the same.