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    Confused Can you use Chidori without using your sharingan?

    Well let's start with the begining during the batle at Kanami Bridge Kakashi uses Raikiri but Minato told him not to use it again. After he received the Sharingan everything was ok because he could see the enemy's counteratack.
    Now wouldn't Sasuke have the same problem without using the Sharingan?
    Here we see him clearly going for Naruto with the Chidori without using the Sharingan after he fought with Danzou.
    http://www.mangareader.net/93-47870-...apter-485.html
    http://www.mangareader.net/93-47870-...apter-485.html
    http://www.mangareader.net/93-47870-...apter-485.html
    So I'm just a little confused about the ''rules&risks'' of using Raikiri/Chidori.

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    Re: Can you use Chidori without using your sharingan?

    Kakashi and Sasuke can use chidori or raikiri whenever they want, but Sharingan reduces the risk that it causes since it can predict opponents' counter. someone like Raikage and Minato wouldn't need Sharingan since they should be able to see or at least react in time to an enemy's counter. But, I don't think Sasuke or Kakashi has that kind of reflex to react in time, nor the defense that Third Raikage did to be able to tank any counter attack.

    Sasuke probably didn't use Sharingan against Naruto because he didn't have the chakra or stamina to do so, it was his way of disrespecting Kakashi, or he probably expected Naruto to counter with rasengan and nothing else.

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    Re: Can you use Chidori without using your sharingan?

    chidori is best paired with speed, which leaves you predictable and susceptible to counter attack

    at high speeds, sharingan would help you notice and thus react to physical actions trying to harm you

    chidori still acn be used without speed, its penetration just decreases
    without speed, there is no need to use sharingan to help protect yourself

    as to 'why?', i think m3j answered it

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    Re: Can you use Chidori without using your sharingan?

    You can use lightning chakra in your attacks all you want without it being dangerous to you, look at the Samurai for example, or even Bee and Sasuke sometimes. They use swords. But if you're going to boost your speed and attack with your hands, then you'd better be able to anticipate your opponent's moves with Sharingan, or use also use lightning chakra as armor like Raikage does. Doesn't mean you need a Sharingan or Raiton armor, but it can be risky otherwise.

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    Re: Can you use Chidori without using your sharingan?

    That's the problem, Chidori doesn't have to be used with speed to be effected. I know chidori has more piercing power at max speed,but when piercing a body it don't need speed. I really don't see how it works any different from a reseangan.

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    Re: Can you use Chidori without using your sharingan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Prince Sasuke View Post
    That's the problem, Chidori doesn't have to be used with speed to be effected. I know chidori has more piercing power at max speed,but when piercing a body it don't need speed. I really don't see how it works any different from a reseangan.
    it depends

    sometimes the person is armoured

    kakashi pushing off hard from a distance of 1-2m sometimes barely penetrates the person as well

    rasengan is different, it's abrasive on contact and explosive too, all u have to do is make contact from a standstill position and u'll blow a hole through the guy's body (when it was first introduced. now rasengan seems to just tickle everyone's bellies)

    chidori/raikiri used from a standstill punch's position would probably just penetrate halfway through the person's body, or less if the person is armoured

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    Re: Can you use Chidori without using your sharingan?

    [http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v26/c228/16.html

    This images show the chidori piercing with ease.

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    Re: Can you use Chidori without using your sharingan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Prince Sasuke View Post
    [http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v26/c228/16.html

    This images show the chidori piercing with ease.
    i'd attribute this to:
    1) naruto's kid body. he's just a kid! softer bones, less mass, etc.
    2) naruto not struggling. naruto basically was so depressed he didn't even move. he didn't wince, protect himself, anything, which would have impeded the penetration
    3) kishi's inconsistency. if penetration is assured even when standing still, what's the point of running like kakashi/sasuke did?

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    Re: Can you use Chidori without using your sharingan?

    Flesh and bones are the same for everyone. Naruto push Sasuke hand up to protect his heart, do he did protect himself.
    That's why I said it could be used like a resengan, unless it's going against some type of defense.

    Chidori is one of the strongest piercing jutsu, it doesn't make sense to need a running start to do what it does best.

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    Re: Can you use Chidori without using your sharingan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Prince Sasuke View Post
    Flesh and bones are the same for everyone. Naruto push Sasuke hand up to protect his heart, do he did protect himself.
    That's why I said it could be used like a resengan, unless it's going against some type of defense.

    Chidori is one of the strongest piercing jutsu, it doesn't make sense to need a running start to do what it does best.
    flesh and bones are not the same for everyone

    kids have less muscle mass and lower bone density. a car collision at 60km/h would easily kill a kid, but would merely break an adult's legs

    also, naruto merely diverted sasuke's strike to his right. that alone can't compare to someone dodging/wincing/flexing in instinctual response. naruto lacked all of that at that time

    the nail and hammer combination is one of the strongest piercing systems we have. u can push the nail into an exceptionally soft chipboard u encounter now and then, but that doesn't mean in normal usage the hammer doesn't need to be swung

    it's a given that running is necessary to improve penetration. the question is then, how much running is necessary before chidori has sufficient levels of penetration

    looking at the start of the manga, it was deemed so necessary that it's been considered as part of the skill itself by kakashi. if it wasn't, kakashi would never have taught sasuke to run and minato would never have pointed out it was a flawed jutsu (could just have said it was a flawed use instead). kishi therefore intended the jutsu to be useful only when coupled with running

    then we have sasuke piercing naruto with ease

    only explanations as per kishi's attempted canon, again, are:
    1) naruto's kid body. he's just a kid! softer bones, less mass, etc.
    2) naruto not struggling. naruto basically was so depressed he didn't even move. he didn't wince, protect himself, anything, which would have impeded the penetration
    3) kishi's inconsistency. if penetration is assured even when standing still, what's the point of running like kakashi/sasuke did?

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    Re: Can you use Chidori without using your sharingan?

    We are talking about a human body, not wood or metal.
    It's obvious the more speed the more penetraction, but it's also obvious that speed is not needed to penetrate a human body.

    If I had a knife and thrust it at your chest, would it penetrate your meat/flesh? Of course.

    If I had a 20 yard running start, would I cause more damage then the thrust? Of course.

    Manga shows chidori is not needed to be use at high speeds and long distance to be effective.... Maybe against Sand,wood, or iron, but not on a human body.

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    Re: Can you use Chidori without using your sharingan?

    Quote Originally Posted by hyper_megaman View Post
    i'd attribute this to:
    1) naruto's kid body. he's just a kid! softer bones, less mass, etc.
    2) naruto not struggling. naruto basically was so depressed he didn't even move. he didn't wince, protect himself, anything, which would have impeded the penetration
    3) kishi's inconsistency. if penetration is assured even when standing still, what's the point of running like kakashi/sasuke did?
    Kakashi ran the first time he used chidori most likely because it'd catch the enemy by surprise and give chidori more penetration power just in case, like if an enemy did a doton jutsu like Kakuzu did on himself. Sasuke ran to increase the piercing power so his chidori could get through Gaara's sand and to Gaara himself, which it did. I think the running for more power depends on the situation.

    for example, Sasuke may have penetrated the Raikage's chest deeper if he was running compared to standing.

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    Re: Can you use Chidori without using your sharingan?

    Chidori initially was an attack that used the charge to increase the penetration abilities, using the momentum of the movement to increase the strenght of the attack; basically its attack power depended on how fast the user ran, and that's why Kakashi made Sasuke reach Lee's level of speed, even at the cost of a rapid decrease of stamina.

    It still doesn't change the fact that Chidori and Raikiri are still a ninjutsu enclosing the hand with high-vibration electricity of super-concentrated chakra, so it makes sense that it can be used even without the Sharingan.
    It just would be pretty predictable, since it would be easily avoidable since it hasn't neither reach nor a particular width. Its the same of chakra scrapels or Hyuuga's Juuken.

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    Re: Can you use Chidori without using your sharingan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Uchiha_Blood View Post
    Chidori initially was an attack that used the charge to increase the penetration abilities, using the momentum of the movement to increase the strenght of the attack; basically its attack power depended on how fast the user ran, and that's why Kakashi made Sasuke reach Lee's level of speed, even at the cost of a rapid decrease of stamina.

    It still doesn't change the fact that Chidori and Raikiri are still a ninjutsu enclosing the hand with high-vibration electricity of super-concentrated chakra, so it makes sense that it can be used even without the Sharingan.
    It just would be pretty predictable, since it would be easily avoidable since it hasn't neither reach nor a particular width. Its the same of chakra scrapels or Hyuuga's Juuken.
    Like you said "to increase the penetraction abilites",not that chidori can't penetrate without the charge/running.

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    Re: Can you use Chidori without using your sharingan?

    Quote Originally Posted by Prince Sasuke View Post
    Like you said "to increase the penetraction abilites",not that chidori can't penetrate without the charge/running.
    again, i concur that the chidori is piercing in itself and it can definitely go into a person's body, but i maintain that penetration is definitely not much more than if u used a sword if you use it from a standstill position

    there's no advantage to using chidori over a sword if you're gonna just use it for stabbing, without passing through the person entirely

    the chidori was designed to be a penetrating attack, as kakashi displayed in his first use of it. i think it was meant for one to hit multiple targets, jumping from one straight to another

    an incomplete penetration would inhibit this multi-target jump greatly, and u might as well use a kunai to stab and save your chakra (3 times a day means 1/3 of chakra)

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