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To say Insight is the same for everyone is wrong.
Atobe looks at the opponent's body. Nobody else does that.
Nobody else study's weaknesses in the body.
If you notice, World of Ice goes to places the opponents body just cannot reach. Its not about predicting.
He is simply seeing that the opponents body cannot do.
Sanada cannot mask his skeleton. Nobody can.
Rai should be what returns this imo.
Shiraishi spun around backwards on the spot and caught back Disappearing Serve.
The Higa dudes teleported back and caught shots as well.
This was BEFORE Rai appeared. Looks like you forgot that Fayte...
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Momoshiro DOES. And its that simple.
Fuji has instinct, not insight. He can literally feel where the ball is without seeing it. But that'd do nothing against shots that are hit to a spot you cannot physically reach so AK would definitely work on him. WoI may or may not work, since it seems like the type of blind spot located by WoI varies (can be reach, speed, reflex, etc). Any vision related blindspots would have no effect on Fuji.
Using Rai to return WoI/AK would basically be the same as using Rai to return a shot that goes out of the court. You'd start off in the back wall (so you don't have to run quite as far). At this distance every spot in the court is a blind spot so AK/WoI would reveal no useful information. As soon as you see Atobe hits the ball then you teleport back into the court. Assuming Sanada has only one blind spot, the chance of Atobe guessing correctly is very low so the ball can be returned normally at this point.
That said I suspect tactics that involve running out of the court and back is probably not something they actually do in POT since nobody actually does that, even though with their described speed this is easily doable. Of course this strat would get beaten by endurance issues since Atobe doesn't have to use WoI/AK every hit but to defend against it successfully you must start outside the court so you'd have to use Rai on every hit.
I suppose you can do like start inside court, and then immediately teleport 5m to the side the moment Atobe hits the ball, thus changing your existing blind spot. But again there's no visible cue for WoI/AK, and for that matter it seems like he can actually use it on every hit without any noticeable repercussion, so you'll lose on the endurance front if you've to use Rai multiple times on every hit. Note that it takes more than one Rai to return WoI because you got to use Rai once to reset your blind spot, and chances are wherever you teleported to is nowhere close to returning the ball, so you got to use Rai again, so you'd need to use 2 Rais every rally. There's no way that's sustainable.
No, he spun sideways.Originally Posted by Airgrimes
No, they don't teleport. They step in a way that gives off an illusion of closing a gap quicker than normal.Originally Posted by Airgrimes
"Insight is the understanding of a specific cause and effect in a specific context." -WikipediaOriginally Posted by Airgrimes
Yes he does. Fuji must understand the wind in order to use Hakugei. That is no different than Momoshiro understanding the wind. Just stop trying to make it different.
Sai is the one who translated it to begin with. What is he contradicting himself now? lol.Originally Posted by Kaoz
Here is the chapter I myself scanlated way back when, and SAI is the one who translated it:
"It leaves no trace of weakness."
Or, if you want to go with what the anime says:
Last edited by Fayte; October 22, 2012 at 01:07 AM.
Ryoma make the shot doesn't go to his blind spot. Doesn't mean Atobe see it wrong. WoI is not prediction.
Seeing and prediction are two different things. Data tennis predict where the ball will go. Atobe see where the ball will go. That's why his insight can hit Mach. His insight doesn't predict where the Mach will go. If your eyes saw a knife slashing at you, do you see it or do you predict it coming? Atobe's eye is just that good.
Last edited by -Ken-; October 22, 2012 at 01:09 AM.
This happened BEFORE Rai. Which you conveniently forget.
Kintaro also did this with Twist Serve (Before Sanada showed us Rai too).
In PoT, Shukichiho is exaggerated to how it works in real life.
Yips also works differently in the real life example to how it works in PoT.
Wikipedia is irrelevant here.
It has been said. Momoshiro HAS Insight. It's never been said Fuji actually has it.
Until they say Fuji has Insight should we assume he does.
Fuji reads wind. Momoshiro reads nature. DIFFERENCE.
Because wind isn't a part of nature, right? Also, Momo has not consistently read anything BUT wind, so, yeah...still no difference.Originally Posted by Airgimes
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It should be noted at this point that Atobe's and Momoshiro's Insight aren't the same. More literally translated, Atobe's is "Vision Power" whereas Momoshiro's is "Perception Ability".
I still like the tler who described it as "Freaky Weatherman Momo" in that TN.
The more info, the better!
I actually gave a link which even Hardy has re-posted for you in a page form.
It says Momoshiro's INSIGHT. Fayte. You are wrong. You are not correct here.
It has never been said Fuji has Insight. Until it is said Fuji has Insight, you shall remain incorrect in this situation.
Momoshiro has been said to have Insight. That is all.
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Looking back, I want to add I'm going by Atobe VS Irie and Atobe/Niou VS Ochi/Mouri about whether or not Atobe can hold the focus perfectly to use Atobe Kingdom and World of Ice for several games.
I don't think he can going by those matches.
Otherwise he is the best in the camp. If on his serve he can hit it, and then as a return he can hit it.
He cannot be beaten if we ignore what we saw in his matches and assume he can use it freely as long as he likes and it doesn't have much of a stamina usage.
Atobe Kingdom/WoI can't be used on serve because as long as the blind spot is not in the upper half of the court you can't possibly hit the ball there due to tennis rules (such a serve would be a fault by definition). We can infer the blind spot located by AK is relatively close to where you're standing (it appears to be a spot you just can't quite reach due to the limit of your arm's flexibility). So all you have to do is stay a bit further back. You'd still have a blind spot but that spot would now be in an illegeal position to serve to.
Atobe Kingdom clearly has a relatively low activation cost, and there appears to be no price to pay for overusage as opposed to say, TPhantom. It's a strong offensive move that also can defend to some extent (stops Mach Serve) with about a low energy cost to activate as we've seen. It's not guaranteed win but for someone with Ryoma level of plot bailouts, it's about as good a package as you can get. At least, there's absolutely no reason for me to believe it takes more energy to activate AK compared to Rai, let alone something like ZSS.
They find you a page that say Momoshiro have insight specifically. How about you find them a page that say Fuji have insight now. Read what Atobe say, he say "action of Oshitari".
Fuji haven't shown that yet. He just reads the wind.
Last edited by -Ken-; October 23, 2012 at 11:56 PM.
Honestly why would Fuji even need insight? He has basically sixth sense. It beats Saiki which is about as strong as predicative insight goes. Predicative insight would be way inferior compare to what he already possesses normally.