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    Re: Kabuto vs Jiraiya and Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by xXan View Post
    Yes Naruto is more skilled thing is that should not be relevant. All that it matters is if Pa can supply enough NE to keep one in SM and aparently he can. Look at Naruto a simple blink is enough to get enough SM energy to pop into SM. I see no reason Pa can give JMan enough NE if he keeps chaneling. Kabuto himself only needed a moment to enter SM.

    Now yes we don't know if he used them both for those techs but aparently he needed them both for Gaemon and Frog Song. Perhaps there are more techs that need both frogs and we don't know about.
    It does, since on his own Naruto can already maintain it near perfectly. Naruto by all accounts, merely requires aid in extending the amount of time within it, whereas Jiraiya needed that along with balancing. So the amount of help Naruto required could have easily been handled by a single toad since he was already skilled at it. We've seen that going into Sage Mode seems dependent on the amount of chakra the user has to start with, since we later saw Naruto needed a good while to go into it. Kabuto's method is different.

    The overall point is that while he required them both for said techniques, he didn't appear to have brought them for that purpose.

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    Re: Kabuto vs Jiraiya and Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by xXan View Post
    You know i was wondering if this works on senjutsu chakra to. I know its created by combining Nature energy and the stick can remove that but can it also remove the senjutsu chakra that is created by combining 3 diferent things?
    I think it was a plot device to help create tension for Naruto and sense of danger while actually keeping him out of danger. It probably provides enough pain to distract Naruto from gathering Natural Energy or something. Not really sure. :x0

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    He has it everywhere:
    http://www.mangapanda.com/93-415-14/...apter-410.html

    Aparently its summoned there or something.
    Oh, I forgot. But the challenge would be in hitting Kabuto, who can dodge nearly any attack. Minato would have to set up a tag near Kabuto without him noticing or force Kabuto to go to a tagged area in order to have a chance of whacking Kabuto, and hoping the stick works in bringing Kabuto out of Sage Mode.



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    If the stick can remove the chakra once its molded into senjutsu chakra then it should work:
    http://www.mangapanda.com/93-415-16/...apter-410.html

    Pa states about the power of Nature. It should work on all of them.
    I don't think it works on chakra, but on Natural Energy absorbed. Dunno though. Pa did talk about nature, not chakra.



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    Also the elder frogs:
    http://www.mangapanda.com/93-435-6/n...apter-430.html

    Ma can feel Pein even in that crep.
    It could just be a feeling, considering she couldn't even sense Animal Realm or the chameleon, she had to use her tongue to sniff out the chameleon. Of course, you could argue that she was killing two birds with one stone by using the tongue to sniff out and grab the chameleon. But if she could feel, then she could have warned Naruto about Hungry Path coming back to life or what the Naraku Path was doing.



    Quote Originally Posted by Rikudou King View Post
    Unless he couldn't maintain it for a suitable length of time. Naruto was more skilled then him with Sage Mode and even he could only hold it for five minutes on his own. So Jiraiya's time logically would be just a couple of minutes, not very helpful in a major battle.
    No doubt about that, but I think the five-minute limit is a universal thing due to chakra pool itself. Hasn't it been said natural chakra is continuously used? It's probably not the skill with Sage Mode that could keep Jiraiya in Sage Mode for five minutes, but his chakra pool. Ma and Pa helped him stay in Sage Mode for more than five minutes, and he most likely wanted their advice and knowledge as well.

    It could still be helpful. Jiraiya and Minato's intelligence combined could give Jiraiya an opportunity to take out Kabuto or injure him enough that Kabuto's fighting at decreased strength.

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    Don't think so, cause he mentioned using his barrier to detect and ma toad took the initiative to search it out. At the very least, Jiraiya won't be able to maintain Sage Mode long enough to make a difference.
    Oh. Well, he probably still wanted their knowledge and advice, considering they knew about the destined child and the prophecy. He knew he needed help, and Ma and Pa would have provided better support than Bunta or Ken.

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    Re: Kabuto vs Jiraiya and Minato

    Its FULL KNOWLEDGE..

    Minato put a Tag in the middle of VOLCANO..

    Then tag Kabuto. teleport him to volcano. Pretty sure his liquid or oral rebirth wont work if his drowned in volcano.

    @Rikudo King
    Frog Call > Kabuto U cant say anything that Kabuto can use vibration inside his body to bypass the sound. HE NEVER had this ability, WHAT IS HE? TORIKO VERSE ?....I think ur using Toriko feat the 4 beast that made vibration on his body to bypass Zebra VOICE missile attack. If he can vibrate his cells to prevent the sound. He could easily escape Izanagi Genjutsu. Since the chakra would vibrate itself in the cells w/e u trying to claim about his Vibrator.
    Last edited by Lemonadez; November 12, 2012 at 02:32 PM.

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    Re: Kabuto vs Jiraiya and Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonadez View Post
    Its FULL KNOWLEDGE..

    Minato put a Tag in the middle of VOLCANO..

    Then tag Kabuto. teleport him to volcano. Pretty sure his liquid or oral rebirth wont work if his drowned in volcano.

    @Rikudo King
    Frog Call > Kabuto U cant say anything that Kabuto can use vibration inside his body to bypass the sound. HE NEVER had this ability, WHAT IS HE? TORIKO VERSE ?....I think ur using Toriko feat the 4 beast that made vibration on his body to bypass Zebra VOICE missile attack. If he can vibrate his cells to prevent the sound. He could easily escape Izanagi Genjutsu. Since the chakra would vibrate itself in the cells w/e u trying to claim about his Vibrator.
    I believe he was talking about when Kabuto turned his insides into water as not to suffer from Hakugeki's vibrations, meaning he's pretty immune to them, should he know the attack is coming

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    Re: Kabuto vs Jiraiya and Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by M3J View Post
    No doubt about that, but I think the five-minute limit is a universal thing due to chakra pool itself. Hasn't it been said natural chakra is continuously used? It's probably not the skill with Sage Mode that could keep Jiraiya in Sage Mode for five minutes, but his chakra pool. Ma and Pa helped him stay in Sage Mode for more than five minutes, and he most likely wanted their advice and knowledge as well.

    It could still be helpful. Jiraiya and Minato's intelligence combined could give Jiraiya an opportunity to take out Kabuto or injure him enough that Kabuto's fighting at decreased strength.
    I don't know. Wouldn't the toads too fall under that limit if it was universal?

    Knowledge would probably always be helpful, but Kabuto would likely be prepared. After all, he's worked alongside one crazy genius (Orochimaru), played another (Tobi), and almost play a third (Itachi).

    Quote Originally Posted by M3J View Post
    Oh. Well, he probably still wanted their knowledge and advice, considering they knew about the destined child and the prophecy. He knew he needed help, and Ma and Pa would have provided better support than Bunta or Ken.
    Well, yeah, they would have been more help then a larger toad by sheer virtue of being smaller and a Sage in their own rights.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonadez View Post
    Its FULL KNOWLEDGE..

    Minato put a Tag in the middle of VOLCANO..

    Then tag Kabuto. teleport him to volcano. Pretty sure his liquid or oral rebirth wont work if his drowned in volcano.
    Aside from the fact that a kunai in a volcano would melt and thus be invalid for use, Minato can't simply teleport someone tagged. he would have to carry Kabuto inside, which would be impossible given Kabuto's body and the fact that Minato would be placing himself in range of Kabuto's assault.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonadez View Post
    Frog Call > Kabuto U cant say anything that Kabuto can use vibration inside his body to bypass the sound. HE NEVER had this ability, WHAT IS HE? TORIKO VERSE ?....I think ur using Toriko feat the 4 beast that made vibration on his body to bypass Zebra VOICE missile attack. If he can vibrate his cells to prevent the sound. He could easily escape Izanagi Genjutsu. Since the chakra would vibrate itself in the cells w/e u trying to claim about his Vibrator.
    Don't even know what you're talking about. Kabuto was able to avoid the effect of his own White Rage technique, which involves sonic vibrations in addition to the bright lights, due to liquifying the inside of his own body so they would pass through. So he has the means to avoid any sonic assault by doing likewise, which would also allow him to avoid physical attacks too.

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    Re: Kabuto vs Jiraiya and Minato

    If Frog song and the Death god are not allowed... then Kabuto wins this...

    Minato doesnt have the offensive power to match Kabuto's White snake power / regenerating abilities....

    We've seen how he was able to evade attacks against Itachi and Sasuke....



    Minato and Jiraiya without the death god to me dont have the one shot abilities needed to defeat him... Kabuto's arsenal isnt just extremely versatile but it's also highly skilled

    Techniques like Toksuya, Frog song, Tsukuyomi (Itachi's), Izanami and the death god are to me the only techniques that could go through Kabuto,s rediculous abilities to end him ''somewhat fast''...

    without any of them... i dont see Minato and Jiraiya winning no matter how strong these two could be


    just like i wouldnt see Sasuke and Itachi winning without Izanami / Toksuya / Tsukuyomi (if it could hit)...


    Kabuto is that overpowered, and to me can only be defeated if u posses a very specific ability... it doesnt matter how many people u got,,, the guy covers too much ground with his abilities.

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    Re: Kabuto vs Jiraiya and Minato

    How would Death God help if Minato can't touch Kabuto?

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    Re: Kabuto vs Jiraiya and Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by M3J View Post
    How would Death God help if Minato can't touch Kabuto?
    Yondaime didn't touch Kyuubi, yet he sealed it without problems.

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    Re: Kabuto vs Jiraiya and Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by Uchiha_Blood View Post
    Yondaime didn't touch Kyuubi, yet he sealed it without problems.
    Exactly. What minato did is to let the shinigami do his job for hunting/grabbing any soul minato wants to be sealed. As simple as that.

    And because the shinigami is just a spirit, itachi, sasuke and madara who's inside of their susanoo can't do anything to save their life. So kabuto can't do anything either. He can see the shinigami the moment it grab his soul.

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    Re: Kabuto vs Jiraiya and Minato

    @M3J

    No point addresing the rest as it all resumes to "we don't know"

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    It could just be a feeling, considering she couldn't even sense Animal Realm or the chameleon, she had to use her tongue to sniff out the chameleon. Of course, you could argue that she was killing two birds with one stone by using the tongue to sniff out and grab the chameleon. But if she could feel, then she could have warned Naruto about Hungry Path coming back to life or what the Naraku Path was doing.
    Naruto could not sense the realm he killed and then that was resurected. Naruto could not sense the chameleon himself (remember Nagato grabing him with that thing?). So its not just about Ma/Pa.

    Now obviously that chameleon is not only just going invizible to the eyes. It probably can hide its presence like Muu (its chakra). Ma not only poped the tongue thing but also made a handseal before detecting it.

    It would apear its a general ability to sense, read what Naruto states:
    http://www.mangapanda.com/93-436-4/n...apter-431.html
    Then Pa is "....." just like Tsunade.... He was probably feeling the same thing. I seriously don't understand why people belive that its something limited to Naruto and Kabuto. JMan, Ma and Pa should all have them.

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    Re: Kabuto vs Jiraiya and Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by Rikudou King View Post
    It does, since on his own Naruto can already maintain it near perfectly. Naruto by all accounts, merely requires aid in extending the amount of time within it, whereas Jiraiya needed that along with balancing. So the amount of help Naruto required could have easily been handled by a single toad since he was already skilled at it. We've seen that going into Sage Mode seems dependent on the amount of chakra the user has to start with, since we later saw Naruto needed a good while to go into it. Kabuto's method is different.

    The overall point is that while he required them both for said techniques, he didn't appear to have brought them for that purpose.
    JMan did not need help with the balancing. He himself can balance it well enough but he changes a bit into a frog. Ma/Pa don't help him with the balancing. Now considering the firepower both frogs can provide togeder its more then a good idea to get them both. He was fighting the rinnegan.

    Quote Originally Posted by nfinitfx View Post
    Minato>itachi>kabuto

    nuff said.

    How did you get to that conclusion?

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    Re: Kabuto vs Jiraiya and Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by Uchiha_Blood
    Yondaime didn't touch Kyuubi, yet he sealed it without problems.
    I consider mutual death a very big problem. Not to mention he sealed an immobile opponent. An immobile giant opponent that was literally, what... 10 feet away?

    If there's a time limit on how long Minato's body can stay alive before the other opponent is grabbed, then that's another big problem.
    Last edited by ninjabot; November 13, 2012 at 11:35 AM.

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    Re: Kabuto vs Jiraiya and Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by Uchiha_Blood View Post
    Yondaime didn't touch Kyuubi, yet he sealed it without problems.
    Both Minato and Sarutobi needed their targets immobilized beforehand, so it may not be that viable against an opponent that can move.

    Quote Originally Posted by xXan View Post
    JMan did not need help with the balancing. He himself can balance it well enough but he changes a bit into a frog. Ma/Pa don't help him with the balancing. Now considering the firepower both frogs can provide togeder its more then a good idea to get them both. He was fighting the rinnegan.
    Transforming was due to a lack of balance. And while it may have been a good idea, it doesn't appear to have been done on purpose for that reason.

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    Re: Kabuto vs Jiraiya and Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by ninjabot View Post
    I consider mutual death a very big problem. Not to mention he sealed an immobile opponent. An immobile giant opponent that was literally, what... 10 feet away?

    If there's a time limit on how long Minato's body can stay alive before the other opponent is grabbed, then that's another big problem.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rikudou King View Post
    Both Minato and Sarutobi needed their targets immobilized beforehand, so it may not be that viable against an opponent that can move.
    lol I meant on the issue of hitting on a distance.
    Also the time limit doesn't seem to be short, considering how much time both Yondaime and Sarutobi had, with them being pierced either by Kusanagi or a giant Kyuubi claw.
    And both were also almost out of chakra as well. Also consider that the Shinigami can't be saw until the hand grabs the target, like we saw with Hiruzen and Orochimaru

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    Re: Kabuto vs Jiraiya and Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by Uchiha_Blood View Post
    Yondaime didn't touch Kyuubi, yet he sealed it without problems.
    Weird since Hiruzen had to touch Hashirama, Tobirama, and Orochimaru. Of course, none of the three could move, and Kyuubi had limited movement. But Kabuto can use Oral Rebirth or attack Minato and force him to get away to avoid getting hurt. And like Orochimaru, Kabuto can fight to keep his soul and deal some damage to Minato.

    Quote Originally Posted by xXan View Post
    Naruto could not sense the realm he killed and then that was resurected. Naruto could not sense the chameleon himself (remember Nagato grabing him with that thing?). So its not just about Ma/Pa.

    Now obviously that chameleon is not only just going invizible to the eyes. It probably can hide its presence like Muu (its chakra). Ma not only poped the tongue thing but also made a handseal before detecting it.

    It would apear its a general ability to sense, read what Naruto states:
    http://www.mangapanda.com/93-436-4/n...apter-431.html
    Then Pa is "....." just like Tsunade.... He was probably feeling the same thing. I seriously don't understand why people belive that its something limited to Naruto and Kabuto. JMan, Ma and Pa should all have them.
    Looks like Naruto's ability to sense comes from him concentrating, though. So either Jiraiya never had a chance to concentrate or he simply does not have this power. Ma likely preferred using her tongue. But as we can deduce, the ability to sense isn't a passive ability, Naruto needs to concentrate, like he did when he first busted out of that bijuu training cave during the war. Maybe Ma and Pa can sense, but Jiraiya can't.

    Though, Minato can sense as well, if he has the time to touch the ground without getting killed.

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