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    Re: Kabuto vs Jiraiya and Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by Uchiha_Blood View Post
    lol I meant on the issue of hitting on a distance.
    Also the time limit doesn't seem to be short, considering how much time both Yondaime and Sarutobi had, with them being pierced either by Kusanagi or a giant Kyuubi claw.
    And both were also almost out of chakra as well. Also consider that the Shinigami can't be saw until the hand grabs the target, like we saw with Hiruzen and Orochimaru
    The time limit after sealing perhaps, but not to chase a target around. Even if the Shinigami can't be seen, it would be evident given that Minato would have to stand still and preform quite a few handsigns. Kabuto would know something is up by Minato's action, and given that between the fact that Kabuto knows of the Shinigami technique and we saw with Sarutobi one could recognize it by the handsigns, he should have trouble making an educated guess and going from there, what with him having several means to split and divide his body with them knowing.

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    Re: Kabuto vs Jiraiya and Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by Rikudou King View Post
    The time limit after sealing perhaps, but not to chase a target around. Even if the Shinigami can't be seen, it would be evident given that Minato would have to stand still and preform quite a few handsigns. Kabuto would know something is up by Minato's action, and given that between the fact that Kabuto knows of the Shinigami technique and we saw with Sarutobi one could recognize it by the handsigns, he should have trouble making an educated guess and going from there, what with him having several means to split and divide his body with them knowing.
    What? Hiruzen recognized the DG hand signs because he knew that technique. As for kabuto, I doubt that man knows that much about the shinigami. He's clueless on what would going to happen to him.

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    Re: Kabuto vs Jiraiya and Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by Rikudou King View Post
    The time limit after sealing perhaps, but not to chase a target around. Even if the Shinigami can't be seen, it would be evident given that Minato would have to stand still and preform quite a few handsigns. Kabuto would know something is up by Minato's action, and given that between the fact that Kabuto knows of the Shinigami technique and we saw with Sarutobi one could recognize it by the handsigns, he should have trouble making an educated guess and going from there, what with him having several means to split and divide his body with them knowing.
    Even Orochimaru didn't know about it... why would Kabuto? I'm not even sure if Orochimaru himself knew what happened, other than Hiruzen grabbing him (which Minato nor Jiraiya won't be able to do Kabuto, so it's a moot point anyway) and the Death God appearing soon after. I don't even think Orochimaru saw the handseals Hiruzen used.

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    Re: Kabuto vs Jiraiya and Minato

    Kabuto knows about the Shinigami because he outright told Obito that summoning the four Hokages is out of question, since they are all sealed inside the death gods stomach. Probably Oro and Kabuto did some research after Oro had lost his arms to the technique.
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    Re: Kabuto vs Jiraiya and Minato

    Oh, right. But it doesn't mean he'll know when it's coming. Hiruzen only knew because of the seals. Orochimaru didn't even know, and I doubt he does even now. If I recall, he was never able to see the handseals Hiruzen used since Orochimaru was also in the genjutsu.

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    Re: Kabuto vs Jiraiya and Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by marshall313 View Post
    What? Hiruzen recognized the DG hand signs because he knew that technique. As for kabuto, I doubt that man knows that much about the shinigami. He's clueless on what would going to happen to him.
    And Kabuto knows about the technique too. He knows Minato has it and would know the circumstances surrounding it's usage. Making a guess wouldn't be that hard.

    Quote Originally Posted by M3J View Post
    Even Orochimaru didn't know about it... why would Kabuto? I'm not even sure if Orochimaru himself knew what happened, other than Hiruzen grabbing him (which Minato nor Jiraiya won't be able to do Kabuto, so it's a moot point anyway) and the Death God appearing soon after. I don't even think Orochimaru saw the handseals Hiruzen used.
    Kabuto learnt it from the incident with Orochimaru, and seemingly did his own research in order to discover that it was the real reason that Orochimaru couldn't summon Minato.

    Minato's "main" fighting style has a notable lack of handsign usage, so Minato suddenly pausing mid-battle and preforming a bunch of handsigns is gonna be suspicious even if Kabuto doesn't know the exact techniques. Between that and Kabuto knowing Minato would have it available, making an educated guess wouldn't be much and Kabuto loses nothing by being cautious. At worst, Kabuto wastes a trick against some minor technique.

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    Re: Kabuto vs Jiraiya and Minato

    But what about the seals? The handseals look pretty long, and there's no way he could learn how to do that without breaking into Konoha and finding the scroll, if that even exists.

    And so far, what we've seen is lack of handseals in Minato's fighting style, but we've seen him mainly use taijutsu and Hiraishin. What if Minato has other jutsu that require handseals?

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    Re: Kabuto vs Jiraiya and Minato

    Which is where the educated guessing comes in. Kabuto doesn't have to know for sure that it's coming, he merely has to wait for Minato to stand still and start making handsigns to act. Even if he's wrong about what Minato's doing, it's not as if he'll lose something by dodging. He could even prepare his own opening as he splits/dodge, since Minato would finally be out in the open.

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    Re: Kabuto vs Jiraiya and Minato

    True, he just has to watch out for Jiraiya protecting Minato. Though, wouldn't it be funny if Minato failed to seal Kabuto and got a snake's soul instead. That'd be the ultimate fail. Jiraiya would lose this alone, since Kabuto can counter Jiraiya perfectly.

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    Re: Kabuto vs Jiraiya and Minato

    Yeah, Kabuto's best bet would be to start with his White Rage technique, which would keep both of them occupied and near defenseless.

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    Re: Kabuto vs Jiraiya and Minato

    Probably with the sound genjutsu first as that's quicker than Jiraiya or Minato summoning the frogs and them tryin to use the sound genjutsu, especially since Minato isn't fast enough for Kabuto out of Hiraishin and Kabuto can tank most attacks.

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    Re: Kabuto vs Jiraiya and Minato

    Quote Originally Posted by Rikudou King View Post
    And Kabuto knows about the technique too. He knows Minato has it and would know the circumstances surrounding it's usage. Making a guess wouldn't be that hard.

    Kabuto learnt it from the incident with Orochimaru, and seemingly did his own research in order to discover that it was the real reason that Orochimaru couldn't summon Minato.

    Minato's "main" fighting style has a notable lack of handsign usage, so Minato suddenly pausing mid-battle and preforming a bunch of handsigns is gonna be suspicious even if Kabuto doesn't know the exact techniques. Between that and Kabuto knowing Minato would have it available, making an educated guess wouldn't be much and Kabuto loses nothing by being cautious. At worst, Kabuto wastes a trick against some minor technique.
    Yeah, even suigetsu knows the DG. So your point?

    Kabuto and orochimaru just knew how dangerous that jutsu is. They knows nothing about that jutsu's info. And I think it's freaking retarded if kabuto just keep on guessing if minato would create a hand signs for a jutsu or for his DG. And not to mention, he doesn't have the luxury to do that. Jiraiya would transform him to a frog.

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    Re: Kabuto vs Jiraiya and Minato

    The point is that he knows it exist and thus should be ready for it. I.e. Kabuto knew that the brothers would attempt to catch him in a genjutsu, thus he was prepared to counter their efforts specifically.

    Considering Orochimaru was subjected to it firsthand, they would in fact know quite a bit about it afterward. Considering that Minato's main fighting style lacks handsigns, it would be obvious that he's up to something if he stops to make handsigns and thus Kabuto should take caution. It would be ridiculous for Kabuto not to react to Minato acting differently. Nor does he lack the luxury of doing so. Aside from the fact that doing that would also protect from any assault from Jiraiya, the majority of his defensive tactics would also enable him to create an opening for his own assault.

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    Re: Kabuto vs Jiraiya and Minato

    Its so easy to mask handseals its not even relevant if he knows it or not. Just pop some smoke or block his vision somehow. No big deal. JMan was able to block the vision of Pein... That guy also had linked vision.

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    Re: Kabuto vs Jiraiya and Minato

    Wouldn't Minato have to think of that first? Not like that's a regular tactic of his nor would be very secretive act. Not to mention it would work both ways, keeping Kabuto hidden from Minato and making an attack that involves targeting a person even harder to use. And Kabuto would still be aware that Minato is standing still there, so what would prevent him from launching his own attack and disrupting Minato's plan. Both the bone forest and inorganic manipulation would enable Kabuto to strike without having to move. Or by employing his genjutsu/White Rage to stop them both in their tracks.

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