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Translations: Gintama 510 (2)
Naruto also showed it via avoiding/countering the Path's assault. I'm sure the toads, on account of them being toads, have different senses then humans. Naruto, Jiraiya, and Kabuto all have different skills via Sage Mode. And being that chakra sensing isn't inheriant to people, how could such an ability to enhanced if it's not there? Anyway, the point remains that whereas both Naruto and Kabuto have shown the ability to avoid most attacks against them, including surprise attacks. They at least showed the ability to detect attacks. We got none of that with Jiraiya. Not one single example of any sort of sensory skill. In fact, seeing as he required Ma and Pa to aid him in that department, that seems like another indicator that he doesn't have it.
We saw both Orochimaru and Kirabi counter a recently formed Bijuu Blast with ease. The reason I question it being shunshin is the sheer fact that it would have meant that Minato ran all that way, climbed over the Kyuubi, jumped in the air, and then proceed to summon Gamabunta. Makes no sense to go through all that work when simply touching the Kyuubi was his goal.
No its exacly the same, Naruto had an extra chaka signal poping out of nowhere... The the point he made visual contact he did not know shit. Naruto failing to sense a new chakra signal even for a smaller time interval is the same damn thing.Quote:
There is no line where it is explained he increased his chakra sensing distance. Also increased from Konoha to a continent (exageration)? Be serious.Quote:
Show me 1 instance where Naruto used SM sensing to avoid or whatever the path's assault.Quote:
Human's don't have natural chakra detection and Naruto more then anybody. He is a MORON in that area... Frogs do have some extra senses but that has nothing to do with sensing chakra.Quote:
No they DON'T. They have diferent skills in ANY MODE and they use those skill augmented with SM... They get NO diferent SM ONLY jutsus. They do get skills that can only be used in SM, like Naruto can trow the FRS because he has greater chakra control or whatever but they get NO special and only SM jutsus. Yes they have Sage Art in front or whatever but its just jutsus that they use in SM. They don't get a special jutsu like Shinigami get with bankai or shikai.Quote:
Oh yes, Naruto has that right? If Naruto can do that after getting SM then my pet hamster can do it.Quote:
Because Naruto and Kabuto showed the ability later.Quote:
Take Naruto and ONLY his fight with Pein (only after the fight started). Now remove the instance where he tracked down Pein with the pipe... Something that JMan would not know how to do... Now show me Naruto using SM senses. JMan did NOT have the chanse to use it, that is it. Even Kabuto showed what? 1 time dodging the arrow?
The only event would be inside the frog's mouth when it was dark but that can be argued diferent ways to. There is no event where clear chakra sensing was used, not even one. Naruto just had the oportunity to fight more and have a lot of chanses to show it.
Last edited by xXan; November 20, 2012 at 10:05 AM.
I don't think that slimy... Thingy traced Pein by scent, since its not like toads are known for their sense of scent.
Also Ma's saying "if its a living being", meaning probably that she traced Pein thanks to Nature energy
No, simply he shunshined towards Kyuubi and summoned Gamabunta mid-air.Quote:
It makes sense since a village was between them and he had to hurry, knowing how fast Kyuubi ( and not a 4 tailed transformed Naruto ) can make a Bijuudama.
Infact he needed Gamabunta to stall those seconds he needed to gather his chakra and teleport both Kyuubi and the blast away
Naruto has to concentrate to use his ability to sense. When he sensed the fighting during the war, he was still. when he was trying to sense Kakashi, he was also still. Looks like Naruto can't passively use the ability, he has to concentrate or at least not move.
Same happen when Naruto fought the Kyuubi, and the Hachibi was capable of intercepting too. The number of tails shouldn't have an effect upon this either. Point remains, it's not mind-blowing fast that it can't be reacted against.
Hell, it probably has a stronger scent with the body decaying and such
Point is, he had, again, an entire village between himself and Kyuubi, and while Bijuudama isn't mind-blowing fast, it still takes what, 4-5 seconds to charge, at worst?Quote:
Traveling an entire village in 4-5 seconds still require shunshin imo, and since he was hard-pressed for time he summoned Gamabunta mid-shunshin.
Don't forget also that the Kyuubi began charging the Bijuudama the moment Yondaime appeared, or even before
Hiraishin makes more sense, considering we know for a fact that he had tags set up all around and it would explain why he ended up where he did. Hiraishin behind from the trees and then jump over it.
And Hiraishin isn't likely, since Yondaime clearly was on mid-air before summoning Bunta, as evidenced by him being on top of the toad ( if he used Toad Cart Destroyer like Naruto did, he would be on the ground while Gama would be on top of Kyuubi )
Teleporting to the woods behind, then going from there, just like he did when he saved Kushina. Makes more sense then running through the entire village.
See it like this:
a village was separating Yondaime and Kyuubi while the latter was forming a Bijuudama.
We know from experience a Bijuudama takes what, 4-5 seconds to form ( I'm being generous, extremely so ), meaning Yondaime had to travel an entire village in 2-3 seconds, considering he halted Kyuubi mid-charging.
He has 3 options:
-Hiraishin, borderline since Kyuubi was on a barren wasteland and Yondaime appeared mid-air, when he summoned Gama.
Without counting the fact that it isn't likely Yondaime tagged every rock in Konoha, it would mean Hiraishin has a huge radius, and Yondaime can appear miles apart his seal, while the best he's showed is barely a meter.
-Normal speed, impossible.
While Yondaime is fast, he can't move that fast in such a short time span, hell I doubt even the Gaikage can.
-Shunshin, the most likely, considering its the only jutsu he knows that allows him to move at high speed.
Even then, the original point was that one can't use a jutsu while using another, which got disproved:
either if it was Hiraishin or Shunshin Yondaime used it while using Kuchiyose, meaning he effectively used 2 jutsu at the same time
I meant, he Hiraishin to her and then proceeded to jump to the treetop. The Kyuubi wasn't on a wasteland, it was at the edge of the village in the woods, where it had been forced back. Not to mention it would explain also why he was facing towards them instead of away, which would have been the direction if he came through the village. Besides, shunshin is only a momentary boost, not a sustainable means of travel.
As for the main point, it really hasn't. As mentioned, unless he was capable of delaying the activation or timing it down to the right moment, he couldn't have preformed the summoning til he was in position and neither of those two would have allowed him to be in midair.
I just look back and Kabuto Liquid jutsu *Need to be activated*. Its not permanent.
With Hirashin. Pretty sure Minato can land a hit before Kabuto can activate suigetsu jutsu.
Because we saw Itachi was able to damage kabuto physically and he did not turn into liquid.
Turning into liquid is also a bad Idea.
1.) Jiraiya can summon Large amount of Oil. a Tidal wave Oil..
Its like a Water Bottle vs Bucket of Oil. <- a water would not stand a chance being covered by a large amount of Oil.
Kabuto transforming back to his normal form would be covered by sticky oil and his internal would be cover as well.
Cant believe that no notice that Water vs Large Tidal wave Oil... Pretty bad Idea for Kabuto using Suigetsu abilities.
Wind can also push the sound genjutsu. We saw Temari did it and pretty sure Temari chakra into her weapon IS nowhere near Sage Chakra wind senjutsu.
Last edited by Lemonadez; January 19, 2013 at 12:23 PM.
Not sure where you saw it "needing to be activated", since we know for a fact that it's an automatic defense. And water would have nothing to worry about from oil, since the two reject each other.
Considering neither Minato nor Jiraiya possess a wind technique, wind being capable of pushing back sound is a moot point.
1.) The Horn wont be cut, separated from him.
2.) He would have turn into liquid everytime his been cut..
Jiraiya in Sage Mode posses have Wind Jutsu. I think it was MA Frog who uses the wind jutsu, while Pa uses Frying and Jiraiya uses Tidal wave of oil.
No its not, fact that Tayuya stated it herself that her Genjutsu sound was able to push back because of the Wind..
Since wind is a jutsu, it would also interupt the genjutsu sound play.
Not at least u dont know Water and Oil does Reject each other.
But if u try to mix in a Small amount of water into a tidal wave of Oil that has Heat. U will see that water of yours will disappear..
u tried xperimenting cooking before?. Go put a water on hot oil. LOL
Jiraiya SM mode can mix 3 elements Wind + Fire + Oil vs Water element....
a water on Oil + Fire (Heat). water get owned so easily. and with Wind making the fire stronger. that crap came from naruto logic.
The horn was simple decoration. We know via Suigetsu and the Nidaime Mizukage that it's an automatic defense. And you would note that Kabuto negated any bodily damage.
Fukasaku is the one who possesses it, not Jiraiya or Minato as I said, right? And to push back the genjutsu, it would require them to remain stationary facing the technique, which would grant Kabuto the advantage of attacking them while their stuck defending. Not to mention that the sound genjutsu isn't Kabuto's only means of paralyzing the duo.
Even a little water vs more oil would have the two separated, and given the Goemon was shown mainly liquid, it would hardly be as if Kabuto has to face an actual inferno. And since Kabuto's abilities allow him to divide and merge back together, he can evade before risking any real damage.