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    Re: Strong Determination equal greater Chakra?

    Quote Originally Posted by xXan View Post
    Its probably just strong emotions. Itachi had sadness, regret and so on.

    As kyle katarn(Star Wars) said, abilities are not inherently good or evil, it's how you use them.



    Itachi is the only one. Madara... We just don't know but i am sure he HATED the clan after they all tured there backs on him after the sacrifice of his own brother. Then i am sure he did not love Hashirama...
    Madara probably whent with the dream world later in life.

    Are you sure about that one? Madara seems to talk about Hashirama with great admiration. and Madara dose have a creepy obsession with hashirama and his DNA lol
    Maybe Hashirama friend-zoned Madara and thats what drove him to madness ???? could be....could not?
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    Re: Strong Determination equal greater Chakra?

    @number12michael


    Not really admiration, more like respect. He was the only one who could stand before Madara. Sasuke himself acknowledge Naruto as a great rival but he still would like nothing more then to run him trough. Thing is Hashirama was a big factor in the clan wars and he was forced into that peace and taking his bro eyes because of this man. Hashirama even got to Hokage seat, if not Madara would have been the one to get it. I am sure he had no great love for him.

    Anywhay what Madara repsected/admired about Hashirama was his fighting ability. That does not mean he would not love to murder him. Even from the RS kids this chain of hate existed. Senju vs Uchiha and what not. Something that aparenty Sasuke and Naruto would also have to deal with (if what Tobi said was true).

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    Re: Strong Determination equal greater Chakra?

    Itachi was also a victim of the cycle of hate triggered by Konoha's skewed policies. The establishment never wanted to taint their hands, and had to place the blame on someone else. Itachi was their scapegoat to come clean in the whole affair. Sasuke was pushed down this path of hatred by Itachi himself. Sasuke's motivation was vengeance and that didn't waver even after the truth, it was just channeled elsewhere. Itachi - a victim himself - drew his strength from his devotion to Sasuke and protection.

    I seriously doubt both feelings made their chakra stronger. It was just the strength of their emotions that made them press on. Same is the case with Madara and Obito. Obito and Madara both faced betrayal from people close to them. Betrayal in essence leads to hatred as well.


    Quote Originally Posted by ninjabot View Post
    Itachi posessed the Curse of Hatred aswell. He just overcame it.

    Once again, hatred nor will of fire increase your chakra, it just pushes you beyond your limits because your rationale is compromised and your sense of self preservation takes a back seat to your will. It's no different from someone overcoming their physical limitations to save the life of another person by say... lifting an overturned car off the person by themselves (it's happened in real life).

    Sasuke looks like he's gaining more chakra from his hatred because the Mangekyou Sharingan gains more powerful abilities over time/through use of it. And Sasuke's always angry when pushing his MS further, so it looks like his Sharingan is responding to his hatred. It is, but it's not Incredible Hulk style "madder Sasuke get, stronger Sasuke get" type of power. It's simply "get angry, push yourself harder, overcome your limits, and then awaken a new power that comes from reaching said limits".

    Also, no one's ever stated Sasuke's chakra was growing just from anger. Just that his body was responding to his hatred. Which is natural human behavior. People have said it's colder, and that it's as sinister as Madara's, but cold, nor sinister feeling are ways to quantify amount.

    ---------- Post added at 03:28 AM ---------- Previous post was at 03:24 AM ----------

    Though I will admit, since chakra is the combination of physical energy aswell as mental energy, one's mindstate could potentially effect how the chakra forms. But while strengthening your physical energy (by physical training) can increase stamina and chakra reserves... you can't really increase mental energy via training. Thus, there should be no way that mindstate can grow one's chakra.
    I believe you are confusing Chakra with Stamina.

    http://www.mangareader.net/93-95-4/n...hapter-90.html

    Chakra is spiritual energy and the combination of physical and spiritual is stamina.

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    Re: Strong Determination equal greater Chakra?

    Quote Originally Posted by M3J
    Dunno, Naruto doesn't do vengeance and he's pretty strong. He managed to beat Kiba without using Kyuubi because he wanted to prove he was a good fighter. He beat Gaara without using Kyuubi for hte majority of the fight to protect Sakura. Not sure why Itachi would use hatred as a motivation for Sasuke to get stronger, but Sasuke probably didn't have other friends, that Itachi could have used as motivation. "Get stronger if you want to protect your friends from me."

    Hell, it gave Naruto tons of power. It could have done the same for Sasuke too, maybe even more since he's a genius.
    Come on. We know why Naruto got stronger, lol. Hatred or not, having the Kyuubi pretty much makes will obsolete. Becoming omnipotent for Naruto would've been as simple as not having someone around to seal his chakra when he got pissy. Which goes further to prove my point: just like how Sasuke doesn't gain power from his hatred (his MS just responds to his emotions), Naruto didn't get stronger from his hatred. His Kyuubi chakra just became harder to maintain whenever he got angry.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadan
    Chakra is spiritual energy and the combination of physical and spiritual is stamina.
    Hm. Coulda swore it was stated that stamina is formed into chakra, thus, stamina=chakra. After focusing that is.

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    Re: Strong Determination equal greater Chakra?

    Kyuubi doesn't necessarily make the will obsolete. When Naruto fought Orochimaru, Naruto let himself succumb to Kyuubi's will to destroy Orochimaru. However, against Sasuke he told Kyuubi to gtfo. Naruto himself said that he let the Kyuubi influence him, otherwise he could have repelled the Kyuubi.

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    Re: Strong Determination equal greater Chakra?

    I saw long ago scenes taht made me thought about increase of chakra created by great determination with the case of Sasuke, but not involving Susano'o but ratehr the Chidori:

    Sasuke during his fight vs Gaara remembers he can,t normally use Chidori more than twice considering his level and we see the result of 2 uses on the rock during training:

    http://www.mangareader.net/93-133-8/...apter-128.html
    http://www.mangareader.net/93-133-8/...apter-128.html
    http://www.mangareader.net/93-133-10...apter-128.html

    He had to use the Curse Seal to perform another Chidori.

    But later in the story, we see him training after he apprently used Chidori twice on a rock:

    http://www.mangareader.net/93-149-7/...apter-144.html


    then, later that same day, he learns that Itachi si back, rush to find him in another city after learning he left after battling Kakashi and uses the Chidori for what would appear to be the 3rd time the very same day:

    http://www.mangareader.net/93-151-11...apter-146.html
    http://www.mangareader.net/93-151-12...apter-146.html
    http://www.mangareader.net/93-151-13...apter-146.html

    That out of overwhelming hatred and anger towards Itachi standing before him.

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    Re: Strong Determination equal greater Chakra?

    Quote Originally Posted by ninjabot View Post
    Come on. We know why Naruto got stronger, lol. Hatred or not, having the Kyuubi pretty much makes will obsolete. Becoming omnipotent for Naruto would've been as simple as not having someone around to seal his chakra when he got pissy. Which goes further to prove my point: just like how Sasuke doesn't gain power from his hatred (his MS just responds to his emotions), Naruto didn't get stronger from his hatred. His Kyuubi chakra just became harder to maintain whenever he got angry.



    Hm. Coulda swore it was stated that stamina is formed into chakra, thus, stamina=chakra. After focusing that is.
    It's pretty confusing, trust me. Chakra is spiritual energy and ninjustu and Genjustu directly effect it. This energy, when molded together with the physical energy is collectively called stamina. Taijutsu directly effects it.

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