Does Naruto need to end before it's too late? Obito's revelation killed the manga

[Kid Chameleone]

Over the past couple of weeks... actually make that months while reading this manga i've been getting more and more frustrated. It seems that with every new chapter comes atleast 3 plot holes and even in the latest one things havent changed. Instead of giving proper and legit flashbacks to fill plot holes kishi merely ass pulled almost every single ''revelation'' in the last number of chapters. The biggest let down had to be tobi being obito although i called that simply because the names are pretty much an anagram without an ''o''. Here's the my main reasons

1: obito grew to the size of an adult in like a few months while kakashi and rin looked to be the same height and his hair grew all the way down to his back which is completely wrong his hair couldnt have grown that much in such a short time. how do i know? looked it up lool i hate to go scientific but the average human only grows 6 inches of hair a year, thats 0.5 inches a month... not possible . obito went from being a regular 12-13 year old kid to having a full grown adult body in the span of like 2-3 months but oh wait lemme guess kishis answer to that, HASHIRAMA CELLS! because apparently hashirama was the Jesus of naruto and anything is possible with a little bit of his blood and the thing i dont get is that orochimaru experimented on 60 kids with hashi cells and only one of them, yamato(who apparently doesnt matter anymore) came out alive, thats a 0.01666666666 chance of survival, and obito survived it...HALF DEAD lol

2. there's no reason for obitoto attack his clan let alone attackekonoha. neither had anything to do with rin or kakashi so how can he attack them when he has no problem with them let alone try to kill his teacher, the whole village was nothing but nice to him (except kakashi *cough cough*) he had no reason to do any of it, he couldve gone on with his regular plan and the story would still probably progress the same way. the konoha and uchiha attacks were completely unnecessary.

3.There's no way obito would have that much of a change of heart all for a piece of ass. he was a fun loving, clumsy kid and youre telling me his sole motivation to take over the world was this one girl he had a crush on who didnt even want him back? and instead of going to kakashi later on to find out the truth or heading back to the village he decides the best thing to do is take over the world with a dream jutsu so he can have his childhood fling that he longed for for so long? come on kishi, really? ''i want to take over the world so i can live with the girl who didnt want me'' his sole motivation, but of course since it is a dream he can finally get a chance with rin since he can play it out however he wants. This is by far the most serious attempt to get out of the friend zone i've ever seen in my life.

4. how did he help create akatsuki when yahiko didnt trust him? he said he helped aid them, it'd make more sense if obito went to nagato after his death but no he had to see him when they were alive which leads to my next point.

5. how in the hell can obito meet the ame orphans when theyre young when they were supposed to be at least 10 years older than him, unless the wars were in consecutive it doesnt make sense and not to mention the fact that jiraya taught nagato before minato seeing as he thought nagato was the original savior before the rumors of his death which made him believe it was actually minato.

people dont take this as an attack on the manga, i simply think that it couldve and shouldve been done differently. ever since part two started naruto went from '' you can create your own destiny'' and ''anything can be achieved through hard work'' to '' if you wanna win you gotta use hashirama steriods''.

Naruto used to be about ingenuity and skills where people showed off different techniques and everyone is unique; now its simply about being an uchiha and whoever wins the race to the rinnegan first becomes goku. honestly it should be called naruto ball z because everyone is popping off these giant crazy moves and there isnt even room for hand signs or technique its all flash. the problem with that is naruto never started off as that type of manga, its not like dbz where people were already doing kamehamehas and destroying mountains.

on top of that abilities that werent even hinted on are suddenly coming out of nowhere. when hashi was first shown he only made a few trees at a time and couldnt break the sound four barrier, now this guy is capable of healing himself with no hand seals and creating giant forests in a split second. Not to mention he and his bro are the only senju who had any decent skills because im still waiting for more senju to be shown or maybe even a quick flashback that will make me stfu but i know it'll never happen.

its getting late so im gonna wrap this up, i feel like the manga has gone past the point of no return. if kishi wants to save it he should end it soon because with every chapter i find myself getting more and more disappointed and i know im not the only one. kishi clearly has a disregard for his readers and manga is read by all ages in japan so the excuse that its a kids manga isn't gonna cut it. i feel insulted as a reader that he would go to such cheap and easy cover ups to questions he created years ago, it's a general disregard to us a readers and fans to have put so much time and effort keeping up with the manga to have such a cheap ass pulls pulled on us, they reek of shit but its as kish stated in the
latest chapter http://mangastream.com/read/naruto/37594884/16

[Krina29]

I agree with almost everything you said. I still don't understand the timeline( nagato and co. part) but it seems like I'll never understand it. I really like/d(?) Naruto and after all those previous unanswered question I was like: ok, let it be and we will get a legit explanaiton. Tobi being Obito? I have some reasons to be upset because of this and I''l start with the most relevant to least imho:

1. The biggest one: the timeline- everyone knows that the timeline is so screwed up and after the last couple of chapter it only has patches here and there imho.
2. The overuse of Hashirama's cells- it is just too much, I mean really this developement was the worst imho.
3. Obito's reason- only because Rin died se made all of this? this makes absolutely no sense imho.
I hoped Tobi was Izuna because it would make more sense and it could have been that brothers rivalty and revenge and it could have followed anothere theme imho.

I don't want to start a fight I just expressed my opinion and I hope you will respect it
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[GomuGomu_Getsuga]

Naruto has been dead long before Obito was revealed as Tobi. I'm pretty sure it died the moment Kishimoto focused his story entirely on Sasuke and chose not to develop any of the villages or ninja. He waited so long to make Naruto a useful character that he doesn't have any real skill. The dude just had power thrown at him; Sage Mode and Kyuubi mode. I know I can go back and read countless memerable encounters Luffy has had with different people and enemies. There are none with Naruto. He is probably one of the worst carried main characters I've ever seen.

[TobiOrNotTobi]

I'm being honest i always liked the idea of Obito being Tobi (Yet i also had my good theory on him being Izuna) and once he got revealed as him i was pretty happy.

Well... i'm starting to hate that

Kishimoto had the perfect opportunity to lay down every single detail about Obito in these flashbacks, i'm not a fan of them but i'd be pleased if he did reveal them.

- Why was he attacking Konoha?
- What was the deal with the Mist Mizukage?
- His part on the Uchiha Massacre?
- What happend to the Spiral Zetsu?
- Why the Tribal Mask first and not his Spiral Mask instead?
- The whole thing with Kisame
- His hairstyles (I don't buy it that he just simply cut it everytime)
- Anime related: How come that a 15-16 year old kid sound like a 68 year old man? Voice No Jutsu = "THAT" Jutsu?
I wonder how they gonna pull that off once the anime reaches Obitos Flashbacks.

There are many more things that are still left in the dark about him and that should be adressed, YES we the readers can make assumtions but assumtions are NOT answers. The writer has to give us answers not the readers themselfs.

This manga was once about being this underdog with a dream regardless what came in the way now it's just all about Free PowerUps and Senju DNA.

The ONLY reason why Kishimoto did it this way could be because Obito WILL turn good again and i mean completely. So he could explain himself.

[Kid Chameleone]

I know it's been dying for a while but the obito revelation killed it lol it started dying when naruto fought kakuza or wever death twins lol. I think t started dying there because naruto was given cheap power upward right after instead of training. Kishi could've easily had him training wind chakra and shit off screen when sasuke and jiraiya had their time but he didn't. Instead he mad sasuke so bad assume that naruto needed cheap power ups to keep up with him. After everyone of sasukes fights naruto got a power up instead of training. Now he's basically a god with no one being able to touch him unless they went to the hashirama cell market and the thing that bothers me is all his base stats are weak not to mention he's got the best chakra element and a clan who specialized in sealing techniques but yet he constantly rushes into garbage battles and Instead of learning or trying something new we always get the same boring old fights

Kagebushin, RASENGAN!
Oh that didn't work bigger RASENGAN!
That didn't work? Sage mode wind RASENGAN!
Oh shit that didn't work? Kyuubi mode, bijuu RASENGAN!

Meanwhile sasuke pops off new shit everytime we see him and fights like a boss completely overshadowing naruto in every form of battle there is except when it comes to power ups lol all sasuke has is his eyes meanwhile naruto is the combination of sex drugs and rock and roll all into one and still can't make a decent song lol and I know naruto Is dumb but come on he can do more than one thing it's starting to get pathetic

[Brill]

1) Oibto wasn't a normal person anymore. He's 1/3-1/2 Harashima cells which grow fast and have lots of life energy. If Obito had a normal body the growth would be unbelievable, but he doesn't so the growth rate could be reasonable.

2) You're assuimg Obito was a normal rational man after Rin's death. He wasn't. He was broken and most sociopaths when they get a new toy like to test it out.

3) As with #2 he's broken and the normal "rational" choices don't apply to angry sociopaths.

4) You don't know how much assistance Madara gave Nagato's forces after Yahiko's death. It may be a lot or little. In reality it matters not. All we needed to know was how they joimned forces and Kish coverred that,

5) Jiraya left the kids when they were young teenagers. A lot of time passed and Madara meets them when they were old teeangers/adults. Dates weren't given and dates aren't needed. People who delve into databooks for their info get hung up on these "timeline plotholes" when the real issue is that they met, not when they met.

[Zasz]

I think that Naruto's downfall as a manga began with the introduction of the transplants of eyes and cells.
I mean c'mon, the whole world has Hashirama's cells and the eyes of the Uchiha.
Kakashi should have been the only exception, but then we got Danzou and Nagato.
Then I also think that this story of the "Fate" has been overused by Kishimoto.
Naruto should have finished shortly after the "Pain attacking Konoha" arc.
I will keep on reading it, just because I want to see how it ends; I liked some of the recent chapter, but the author must putting an end to all of this before it's too late.

[shahdan]

I think the only thing that ruined it is Hashirama's over-hyped, unicorn-DNA that seems to be the answer to everything now. I am quite mad at kishimoto. Why is a dead guy being perched on such a high-horse? Kick his behind off it already.

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I know it's been dying for a while but the obito revelation killed it lol it started dying when naruto fought kakuza or wever death twins lol. I think t started dying there because naruto was given cheap power upward right after instead of training. Kishi could've easily had him training wind chakra and shit off screen when sasuke and jiraiya had their time but he didn't. Instead he mad sasuke so bad assume that naruto needed cheap power ups to keep up with him. After everyone of sasukes fights naruto got a power up instead of training. Now he's basically a god with no one being able to touch him unless they went to the hashirama cell market and the thing that bothers me is all his base stats are weak not to mention he's got the best chakra element and a clan who specialized in sealing techniques but yet he constantly rushes into garbage battles and Instead of learning or trying something new we always get the same boring old fights

Kagebushin, RASENGAN!
Oh that didn't work bigger RASENGAN!
That didn't work? Sage mode wind RASENGAN!
Oh shit that didn't work? Kyuubi mode, bijuu RASENGAN!

Meanwhile sasuke pops off new shit everytime we see him and fights like a boss completely overshadowing naruto in every form of battle there is except when it comes to power ups lol all sasuke has is his eyes meanwhile naruto is the combination of sex drugs and rock and roll all into one and still can't make a decent song lol and I know naruto Is dumb but come on he can do more than one thing it's starting to get pathetic

Okay, this was pretty funny. But I agree.

[XXGenesis]

Yes I agree with everything that is said here. I so forgot Obito was controlling the 4th mizukage too? smh another plot hole for me to think about. Kishi really fudge up big time. Naruto became less interesting and compelling when it started to revolve around Dojutsus, Uchiha and Senju. It was too saturated with these elements while he completely ignored other good material in the manga that had potential. Like most he pissed me off with the whole Obito being Tobi and he completely dropped the ball and smacked us readers in the face Obito's crap ass Flashback that doesn't make much of any sense. After the last chapter Naruto/Kishi let me down a lot he definitely needs to finish this up. Cause he's obviously getting sloppy and lazy with his story telling.

thank god he's better than Kubo, Kubo makes me wanna kill him then myself.

[Kid Chameleone]

@Brill .K for own guys I'm using my phone so if there's a lot of spelling mistakes or random words in ky past posts it's my predictive dictionary lol anywho what you're saying is flawed. I understand that he had a break down but still kakashi was his best friend, any logical person would've gone to him and asked wtf happened instead of going straight evil without knowing the full details. He started this war to see rin that's the stupidest shit I've heard. They were like 13 that shits puppy love yet he's willing to take over the world for a girl that's gonna be brought back 13 while he's like 30, someone call Bensen and stabler from law and order svu cause this shit is statutory lol I didn't know obito was r Kelly haha but in all seriousness to counter your points

1. Hashi cells were never said to make you a sudden adult, just because he got a body attachment doesn't mean that he'll grow to adult sIze in a month not to mention his hair growth which I covered already.

2/3. I understand him going crazy and killing every mist nin but still any reasonable person would've gone to kakashi and asked wtf happened and if the answer was b.s. them you go evil. Your saying this one girl's death made him kill his entire clan and attack the entire village even though they didnt have anything to do with the situation, they were out on a mission people die. Lets say kakashi didn't kill rin and someone else did do you think he'd still be evil? I do because her death is his sole motivation doesn't matter how you look at it obito is just in a rush to pop his cherry.

4/5. The timeline does matter otherwise the story doesn't make sense, how can he meet the 3 when they're young when they're atleast 10 years older than him not to mention he couldn't have met yahiko because he should've died while obito was an infant. It doesn't make sense

Cheap story fillers aren't gonna cut it, I've been reading the manga since 05 and I gotta say this is some bull. I always thought it was obito but I thought that the zetsus found him and inserted a piece of madara into him like kabuto did with oro, it would explain his change of heart and justify him attacking Konoha as he would be harboring a part of madara and as such would have the same grudge but no he had to go evil for a girl that didn't even know he existed smh. That's sad, just plain sad... not to mention pathetic

[pera2]

1. Hashi cells were never said to make you a sudden adult, just because he got a body attachment doesn't mean that he'll grow to adult sIze in a month not to mention his hair growth which I covered already.

He wore zetsu suit, were you not there?
Hair grew, then he cut it.

[Brill]

@Brill .K for own guys I'm using my phone so if there's a lot of spelling mistakes or random words in ky past posts it's my predictive dictionary lol anywho what you're saying is flawed. I understand that he had a break down but still kakashi was his best friend, any logical person would've gone to him and asked wtf happened instead of going straight evil without knowing the full details. He started this war to see rin that's the stupidest shit I've heard. They were like 13 that shits puppy love yet he's willing to take over the world for a girl that's gonna be brought back 13 while he's like 30, someone call Bensen and stabler from law and order svu cause this shit is statutory lol I didn't know obito was r Kelly haha but in all seriousness to counter your points

He just didn't have a breakdown, he was broken by Rin's death. A breakdown suggests you recover and become normal again. Obito was broken so he doesn't snap out of it. He wouldn't do as you suggest because broken people don't think that way. Did Kishi give us enough characterization to show Obito's 180? No, it's a 3-chapter flashback thaere isn't enough time to demonstrate a genuine transformation. Kishi put it there, you may not buy it, but it's there.

1. Hashi cells were never said to make you a sudden adult, just because he got a body attachment doesn't mean that he'll grow to adult sIze in a month not to mention his hair growth which I covered already.

You said it, Harashime cells are a black box. We don't know fully what they can and can not do. All we do know is that they have lots of life energy and turn zetsu into trees. Who's to say they don't advance the physiology of teeanagers? Besides it's just not him, it's a zestu cloak as well. So that can explain the size difference.

2/3. I understand him going crazy and killing every mist nin but still any reasonable person would've gone to kakashi and asked wtf happened and if the answer was b.s. them you go evil. Your saying this one girl's death made him kill his entire clan and attack the entire village even though they didnt have anything to do with the situation, they were out on a mission people die. Lets say kakashi didn't kill rin and someone else did do you think he'd still be evil? I do because her death is his sole motivation doesn't matter how you look at it obito is just in a rush to pop his cherry.

Once again, he's broken, not normal. Kishi is portraying Obito as the angry sociopath after Rin's death. Sociopaths do fun things with with new powerful toys that they get. Sociopaths don't care that they detroy a village of "innocents" as long as they see how powerful their new toy is.

4/5. The timeline does matter otherwise the story doesn't make sense, how can he meet the 3 when they're young when they're atleast 10 years older than him not to mention he couldn't have met yahiko because he should've died while obito was an infant. It doesn't make sense.

Where in the manga does it say they're 13 years older? We don't know WHEN Yahiko died. We don't know how long the Akatsuiki fought Hanzou. There are a lot of unknowns there. It is reasonable to believe the connections that Kishi makes if you use the manga.

Cheap story fillers aren't gonna cut it, I've been reading the manga since 05 and I gotta say this is some bull. I always thought it was obito but I thought that the zetsus found him and inserted a piece of madara into him like kabuto did with oro, it would explain his change of heart and justify him attacking Konoha as he would be harboring a part of madara and as such would have the same grudge but no he had to go evil for a girl that didn't even know he existed smh. That's sad, just plain sad... not to mention pathetic

Then why didin't you stop reading after Nagato's arc or when Sasuke went emo? They're the same damn thing as Obito. Kishi is laying out all the paths for someone to wrong. Sasuke went bad because of his clan, Nagato went bad because of his friends, and Obito went bad because of love. He just filling out the themes he's been talking about for years. You're just disappointed that Obito's intentions were more grandiose than they are, but his motives are inline with what Kishi had been writing about for years.

[Archea]

Obito went from a child to an adult because of the Zetsu DNA that was attached to the side of is body when he lost his right: arm, leg, and eye. As shown in the flash back Obito could regrow his arms and legs thanks to the infused DNA.

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Above is a picture, of Kakashi, Gai and Kurenai. Obito is a year older than Kakashi, why can't Obito have gotten taller? As for the hair, Jiraiya can control and manipulate his hair at will...you're bringing up Obito's hair why? Clearly hair can be affected by chakra, being connected to the gedo mazo could stimulate hair growth afterall it stimulates arm and leg growth.

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Obito attacked konoha when he retrieved the Kyubi from Kushina. Obito, Madara, and Nagato's plan was to capture the 9 Bijuu's to revive the Jubi within Gedo Mazo. He attacked Konoha because he wanted the strongest Bijuu so that capturing the others would be that much easier. Now do you think it would've been ok for Kishi to have Obito take Kyuubi and leave? No, so instead Obito lost miserably and his chance at getting the Kyuubi was halted for 16 years.

As for the reason he attacked the clan, hmm lemme check did the last chapter say naruto was over?

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Let's talk about his change of heart for a moment.

He awakens sharingan only to die saving Kakashi's life specifically.
He awakens to a madman screwing with his head with talks of dreams and fantasies.
He goes out to see Kakashi whom he almost died to save, kill the girl he loved.

Next lets talk about the Uchiha clan
Sasuke, emo kid with rage issues.
Madara, obsessed with battle and control totally dark.
Itachi, extremely fragile personality(Goes from no emotion, to crying before he kills his parents, to no emotion, to loving his little brother.)

The uchiha's are messed up in the head. That's my silly justification.

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Lol did you not read the last chapter, and you just said he helped aid them!
OBITO JUST SAID THAT HE WOULD COME BACK EVERYDAY AT THE EXACT SAME TIME!
http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/607/6

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Jiraiya is 54 now
Kakashi is 29-30 now.

This means that the second, third, and fourth world wars have happened within 54 years.
This also means the third, and fourth world wars have happened within 29-30 years.
Kakashi was 13-14 during the third world war, I'm guessing.
So within 13-14 years, Sakumo Hatake got his name as the Konoha's White fang during the second world war and he also had a son.
Now if Minato is older than Kakashi and 13-14 years ago the second world war happened, then why is Minato 10 years younger than the Ame Orphans?
Let's say Minato was 22 when Kakashi Gaiden happened, so that give Minato a surplus of seven years before Kakashi's birth. I doubt a war takes seven years so it's safe to say that Minato is around the same age as Ame Orphans.

[Jessie]

The worst thing to ever happen to the manga was the words "Hashirama DNA." It has become a joke to explain everything.

Doujutsu was always part of the manga, but things got less interesting when so much of the story began revolving around them. Remember when the sharingan was basically about copying jutsu/moves and the byakugan was its equal? Eye jutsu was interesting before it became a Mary Sue grab bag of super powers. With the exception of the byakugan, which is still the same because it is used by side characters that Kishi has no interest in.

This manga was once about being this underdog with a dream regardless what came in the way now it's just all about Free PowerUps and Senju DNA.

Remember when people could change their destiny? Remember when Naruto was an underdog that always overcame the odds? Now Naruto yells out he is the son of Minato. And his mother was an Uzumaki. Just another DNA jackpot winner.

[The Fool]

Sociopaths do fun things with with new powerful toys that they get. Sociopaths don't care that they detroy a village of "innocents" as long as they see how powerful their new toy is.

This doesn't make sense. He first doesn't even talk to Kakashi because he doesn't care, then attacks Konoha with Kakashi in it. Then he slaughtered Uchiha clan because he said to Sasuke that he wanted to get revenge. But we thought he was Madara, not Obito. Obito doesn't care about anything in this world, so I don't see any reason to do that. Madara and Obito just needed to collect bijuus to revive Juubi and cast Infinite Tsukuyomi. If you want to cast Infinite Tsukuyomi, then why did you kill all the Uchihas? Kishimoto has to explain these things.