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    What Kisame saw?

    This is what Obito shows to Nagato when he says he is Madara:
    http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/606/17

    This is when he shows him self to young Kisame, first time:
    http://www.mangareader.net/93-56935-...apter-507.html

    And this is when Tobi reveals him self to Kisame:
    http://www.mangareader.net/93-409-2/...apter-404.html

    If under that spiral mask was spiral face then Kisame must be most stupid character in the manga for not realizing who Tobi is before ))

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    Re: What Kisame saw?

    Did he show him self to Itachi? Could he not recognize him, with scars and everything?

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    Re: What Kisame saw?

    Quote Originally Posted by pera2 View Post
    This is what Obito shows to Nagato when he says he is Madara:
    http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/606/17

    This is when he shows him self to young Kisame, first time:
    http://www.mangareader.net/93-56935-...apter-507.html

    And this is when Tobi reveals him self to Kisame:
    http://www.mangareader.net/93-409-2/...apter-404.html

    If under that spiral mask was spiral face then Kisame must be most stupid character in the manga for not realizing who Tobi is before ))
    Agreed. It can't have been Spiral Zetsu's face that he showed to young Kisame.

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    Re: What Kisame saw?

    Why would he have Spiral Zetsu's face under his mask? If he was using Spiral Zetsu's body he wouldn't need a mask, because it's got a built-in mask.

    I'm pretty sure that he started wearing the masks after he stopped wearing Spiral Zetsu's body.

    And I'd also bet that he started using the spiral mask after Spiral Zetsu died somehow.

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    Re: What Kisame saw?

    Quote Originally Posted by Suzaku View Post
    Why would he have Spiral Zetsu's face under his mask? If he was using Spiral Zetsu's body he wouldn't need a mask, because it's got a built-in mask.

    I'm pretty sure that he started wearing the masks after he stopped wearing Spiral Zetsu's body.

    And I'd also bet that he started using the spiral mask after Spiral Zetsu died somehow.
    I am sure Obito was wearing the Spiral zetsuit during nine tails invasion. This has been established.

    He was wearing a mask then.

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    Re: What Kisame saw?

    Kisame was tricked with genjutsu both times, without even realizing it.

    Or the most basic ninjutsu of all, henge no jutsu....
    Don't. Be. A. Steph.

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    Re: What Kisame saw?

    Which is weird, since if Obito had used a genjutsu or transformation technique, then there wouldn't really be any need for a mask. He would have been able to go around looking like Madara and causing panic without any trouble.

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    Re: What Kisame saw?

    is there a reason to believe that kisame knew what madara looked like at any given point? most people who lived during that time didnt know what madara looked like since they all believed him dead and had never seen him. if obito just shows even his own face with a sharingan and say that he is madara and if he is controlling yagura with ease, there is no reason for kisame to not believe that he is "madara". now fastforward into the present time when "tobi" took off the mask and kisame sees the same face he saw years before which claimed to be madara, there is no reason for kisame to believe otherwise after all it is the same face he saw twice. just once under a mask and once not.

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    Re: What Kisame saw?

    i got the ANSWER

    when tobi took of his mask, it wasnt to show his face... it was to show his left sharingan(aka-madaras left sharingan)

    the left eye probably has MS too... if it has MS then kisame would know the person is madara/someone working for madara/ or someone who defeated madara...

    explains how Amaterasu activate when it saw "madara's sharingan"


    kisame was in akutsuki... genjitsu wouldnt fool him...
    Last edited by jaykam; October 24, 2012 at 12:01 AM.

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    Re: What Kisame saw?

    Another explanation is that Zetsu itself turned into Madara. Remember Zetsu can clone ANYTHING it has chakra of. So just have Zetsu play Madara for that instance and BAM you have Madara behind the mask and NOBODY can figure out the diference.

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    Re: What Kisame saw?

    Quote Originally Posted by synapse View Post
    I am sure Obito was wearing the Spiral zetsuit during nine tails invasion. This has been established.

    He was wearing a mask then.
    I'm sorry, where was this "established"?

    He couldn't have been wearing Spiral Zetsu during the invasion because you could see his hair and such coming out from the mask. Spiral Zetsu covers his entire head, like a helmet.

    Or are you saying that Obito was wearing a wig in addition to the mask? I personally don't think so.

    He eventually stopped wearing Spiral Zetsu and started wearing that flame-patterned mask, letting his hair remain grown out. He cut his hair when he attempted to invade Konoha. After that, he let it grow out again, as it was long when he attacked the Uchiha with Itachi. After that, he cut it again and kept it short.

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    Re: What Kisame saw?

    Quote Originally Posted by Suzaku View Post
    I'm sorry, where was this "established"?

    He couldn't have been wearing Spiral Zetsu during the invasion because you could see his hair and such coming out from the mask. Spiral Zetsu covers his entire head, like a helmet.

    Or are you saying that Obito was wearing a wig in addition to the mask? I personally don't think so.

    He eventually stopped wearing Spiral Zetsu and started wearing that flame-patterned mask, letting his hair remain grown out. He cut his hair when he attempted to invade Konoha. After that, he let it grow out again, as it was long when he attacked the Uchiha with Itachi. After that, he cut it again and kept it short.
    Its "established" because 1) he had an adult body size during the invasion 2) his left hand, not right, was shown to be a zesu hand when he took Minato's rasengan.

    If Kishi could come with a suit to explain size problems, dont you think he can explain hair jutting out of the mask? thats not an issue.

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    Re: What Kisame saw?

    I think Obito showed Kisame his plan by pulling him into the same genjutsu Madara did. Kisame didn't actually know who Obito was. He got pulled into the genjutsu and listened to the moon eye plan and decided that he liked it, that's all

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    Re: What Kisame saw?

    Of course it makes no sense to wear spiral mask over spiral face, thats why I ask what he show to Kisame.

    ok, he could show Kisame his real face of youg boy with scars, and Kisame could not question if he is Madara or not, but what about Itachi?

    Did Tobi show his face to Itachi?

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