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    Re: What Kisame saw?

    Quote Originally Posted by xXan View Post
    Another explanation is that Zetsu itself turned into Madara. Remember Zetsu can clone ANYTHING it has chakra of. So just have Zetsu play Madara for that instance and BAM you have Madara behind the mask and NOBODY can figure out the diference.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rikudou King View Post
    Which is weird, since if Obito had used a genjutsu or transformation technique, then there wouldn't really be any need for a mask. He would have been able to go around looking like Madara and causing panic without any trouble.
    Yea, unless there are people who can see through genjutsu/henge. Then it would be safer to go with a mask.

    Quote Originally Posted by jaykam View Post
    i got the ANSWER

    when tobi took of his mask, it wasnt to show his face... it was to show his left sharingan(aka-madaras left sharingan)

    the left eye probably has MS too... if it has MS then kisame would know the person is madara/someone working for madara/ or someone who defeated madara...

    explains how Amaterasu activate when it saw "madara's sharingan"
    Remember Kisame saw the sharingan and demanded FURTHER proof, upon which Obito stepped out of darkness to convince Kisame.


    Quote Originally Posted by pera2 View Post
    Of course it makes no sense to wear spiral mask over spiral face, thats why I ask what he show to Kisame.

    ok, he could show Kisame his real face of youg boy with scars, and Kisame could not question if he is Madara or not, but what about Itachi?

    Did Tobi show his face to Itachi?
    It can't be the spiral face, it can't be Obito's face either. What kind of idiot would believe Madara to be a kiddo.

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    Re: What Kisame saw?

    @synapse

    Zetsu's cloning ability is not a normal transformation. He even has the chakra of the person he transforms into but obviously Tobi can't allow Zetsu to play Madara...

    Kisame would have no way to tell who that guy is. Even sensing his chakra with Samehada and it would do nothing.

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    Re: What Kisame saw?

    Quote Originally Posted by synapse View Post
    Yea, unless there are people who can see through genjutsu/henge. Then it would be safer to go with a mask.
    A person who could see through a genjutsu would likely be able to see through the mask as well, meaning he would still be in the same position.

    It's evident that he really was suppose to look similar to Madara, else him removing his mask to show Sasuke his face makes no sense, as not only would Sasuke clearly know he wasn't Madara, but would be able to counter a genjutsu from Obito.

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    Re: What Kisame saw?

    Quote Originally Posted by synapse View Post
    Yea, unless there are people who can see through genjutsu/henge. Then it would be safer to go with a mask.
    Unless the opponent has a Byakugan.
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    TOBI IS OBITO

    did you say something about timelines?! naruto ate it NOM NOM NOM IT'S GONE.

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    Re: What Kisame saw?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fox666 View Post
    Unless the opponent has a Byakugan.
    It seems that even Hyuugas follow Obitos ninja way... they don't care.
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    Re: What Kisame saw?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rikudou King View Post
    A person who could see through a genjutsu would likely be able to see through the mask as well, meaning he would still be in the same position.

    It's evident that he really was suppose to look similar to Madara, else him removing his mask to show Sasuke his face makes no sense, as not only would Sasuke clearly know he wasn't Madara, but would be able to counter a genjutsu from Obito.
    You know i was thinking right now what if that was a Zetsu clone and that is how Tobi survived the Amaterasu?
    What if when he wanted to show his face and look like Madara he used a Zetsu clone transformed into Madara (he defenetly has Madara's chakra).

    Nobody could ever figure out that a zetsu clone is not the real Madara. Those damn thing replicate the original just about down to the last detail.

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    Re: What Kisame saw?

    Quote Originally Posted by xXan View Post
    @synapse
    Zetsu's cloning ability is not a normal transformation. He even has the chakra of the person he transforms into but obviously Tobi can't allow Zetsu to play Madara...
    Kisame would have no way to tell who that guy is. Even sensing his chakra with Samehada and it would do nothing.
    Quote Originally Posted by xXan View Post
    You know i was thinking right now what if that was a Zetsu clone and that is how Tobi survived the Amaterasu?
    What if when he wanted to show his face and look like Madara he used a Zetsu clone transformed into Madara (he defenetly has Madara's chakra).

    Nobody could ever figure out that a zetsu clone is not the real Madara. Those damn thing replicate the original just about down to the last detail.
    Considering Zetsu can't do kamui that'd be taking a huge risk. But zetsu is wtfhaxed, so no point arguing against it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rikudou King View Post
    A person who could see through a genjutsu would likely be able to see through the mask as well, meaning he would still be in the same position.

    It's evident that he really was suppose to look similar to Madara, else him removing his mask to show Sasuke his face makes no sense, as not only would Sasuke clearly know he wasn't Madara, but would be able to counter a genjutsu from Obito.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fox666 View Post
    Unless the opponent has a Byakugan.
    I would say seeing through physical objects is a rarer ability than dispelling genjutsu.

    So you're settling for the Zetsu morph as well? Now that I think of it Tobi revealed his face to Sasuke and older Kisame pretty much around the same time.

    Quote Originally Posted by syx View Post
    It seems that even Hyuugas follow Obitos ninja way... they don't care.
    LMFAO...

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    Re: What Kisame saw?

    What Kisame saw was the downfall of the series...

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    Re: What Kisame saw?

    Quote Originally Posted by NinjaStar View Post
    What Kisame saw was the downfall of the series...
    Its extremely difficult to write a long series without plotholes. But errors like the one below are kinda unforgivable

    Quote Originally Posted by syx View Post
    It seems that even Hyuugas follow Obitos ninja way... they don't care.

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    Re: What Kisame saw?

    Quote Originally Posted by xXan View Post
    You know i was thinking right now what if that was a Zetsu clone and that is how Tobi survived the Amaterasu?
    What if when he wanted to show his face and look like Madara he used a Zetsu clone transformed into Madara (he defenetly has Madara's chakra).

    Nobody could ever figure out that a zetsu clone is not the real Madara. Those damn thing replicate the original just about down to the last detail.
    Nah, that's twist is way to good for Kishi to think of. I remember when we learnt that the Zetsus could copy people, the idea that Tobi would use them to copy the Kages and others so he could have them cause problems in the villages was going around. Yet we saw how well that idea went.

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    Quote Originally Posted by synapse View Post
    Its extremely difficult to write a long series without plotholes. But errors like the one below are kinda unforgivable
    Sure a plot hole here and there is to be expected, but when you last two months of chapters is just one giant plot hole you have to start thinking something weird is going on

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    Re: What Kisame saw?

    Quote Originally Posted by xXan View Post
    You know i was thinking right now what if that was a Zetsu clone and that is how Tobi survived the Amaterasu?
    What if when he wanted to show his face and look like Madara he used a Zetsu clone transformed into Madara (he defenetly has Madara's chakra).

    Nobody could ever figure out that a zetsu clone is not the real Madara. Those damn thing replicate the original just about down to the last detail.

    This is it. This is the best answer and fits perfectly into everything. If Kishi didn't think of this, he shold just adopt this idea! Somebody tell him this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by synapse View Post
    Its extremely difficult to write a long series without plotholes. But errors like the one below are kinda unforgivable
    I don't get it, what is the problem here? Hyuuga can see under the mask or what? Is that Byakugan guy supposed to recognize Obito?

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    Re: What Kisame saw?

    Quote Originally Posted by pera2 View Post
    I don't get it, what is the problem here? Hyuuga can see under the mask or what? Is that Byakugan guy supposed to recognize Obito?
    Yes, Byakugan can see through solid objects.

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    Re: What Kisame saw?

    Quote Originally Posted by synapse View Post
    I think what he meant is that, although the Byakugan could see through the mask, no Hyuuga would have known what Obito looked like - or would have seen him with his mask on.
    Although I doubt that there was no Hyuuga who knew what Obito looked like, I can agree that (as Obito did sneak into Konoha to summon the Kyuubi [most people didn't even know that it had been summoned]) it is likely no Hyuuga (from that generation) saw Obito with his mask on...
    Infinite RAGE!

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    Re: What Kisame saw?

    Quote Originally Posted by zimbardo View Post
    I think what he meant is that, although the Byakugan could see through the mask, no Hyuuga would have known what Obito looked like - or would have seen him with his mask on.
    Although I doubt that there was no Hyuuga who knew what Obito looked like, I can agree that (as Obito did sneak into Konoha to summon the Kyuubi [most people didn't even know that it had been summoned]) it is likely no Hyuuga (from that generation) saw Obito with his mask on...
    Least the hyuuga should have found out its not Madara. 1) Madara is carved at VOTE so everybody knows what he looks like 2) Madara would be old.

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