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Thread: Palace Invasion---Now with 100% more Knov

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    Palace Invasion---Now with 100% more Knov

    Knov has a pretty sweet ability and when he was introduced he was slick and cool.
    Then he felt Pitou's POUF's aura and had a nervous breakdown more or less. So tragic.

    My question to y'all is...what if he didn't. What if things went according to plan
    and Knov WAS able to fight alongside his comrades. Given Knov's ability
    I would think it would make for a very different fight. But would it give
    the Hunters the advantage?

    To decide this will be the fight...

    First off Netero and Meruem are not involved as they are fighting else where.

    Ant Side

    Pouf
    Pitou
    Youpi

    Extermination Team

    Morel
    Knov
    Killua
    Gon
    Shoot
    Knuckle
    Meleoron
    Ikalgo
    Palm

    Komugi is not involved so no hostages and Gon does not have Vengeance Powers.
    Palm is in her Chimera Ant form but she is on the Extermination's Team.
    Last edited by mrsticky005; July 17, 2014 at 11:32 PM.

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    Re: Palace Invasion---Now with 100% more Knov

    I don't see how the Meleoron + Novu combination could fail, especially against Pitou and Yupi (who would both probably die instantly with Scream aimed at their heads). Pufu on the other hand would require that one critical part of his body to be erased so may not fall to a head shot.

    I wonder if any of them would have reflexes fast enough to dodge the dimensional rift closing on them, upon feeling the ability touching their bodies (this feat probably require Killua level reflexes, which none of the RGs have).

    I think the fight would probably have started in a similar fashion but ended with the team relying on Novu to bypass the royal guards' durability.

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    Re: Palace Invasion---Now with 100% more Knov

    I strongly belive that Knov's scream attack doesn't work if the foe have more aura than the user.

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    Re: Palace Invasion---Now with 100% more Knov

    Quote Originally Posted by Rezard View Post
    I strongly belive that Knov's scream attack doesn't work if the foe have more aura than the user.
    Why? It's spatial manipulation, like Kuwabara's Dimension Sword. Durability is meaningless in this case.
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    Re: Palace Invasion---Now with 100% more Knov

    Because this is a "spacial manipulation" logicaly it require and insane ammount of manipulation/energy to put the target / body part into the singularity point of the dimensional rift. If the target have (way) more aura , he could probaly defend against that.
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    Re: Palace Invasion---Now with 100% more Knov

    Quote Originally Posted by Rezard View Post
    Because this is a "spacial manipulation" logicaly it require and insane ammount of manipulation/energy to put the target / body part into the singularity point of the dimensional rift. If the target have (way) more aura , he could probaly defend against that.
    But it is Knov's Hatsu, his specialty. He can do things more complex with his rooms. He opens a portal and slice his opponents, if it was possible to counter this with aura then it would be possible to escape from his room as well. Cheetu's Tag room was indestructible despite Morel being a better fighter and Nen user than him.
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    Re: Palace Invasion---Now with 100% more Knov

    The condition that Cheethu put into his power was also ridiculous (can't use it anymore if he din't win) , imho this is why the room was indestrutible.
    But yet we don't know that much how Knov power truly work (only that this is dimension shift based)

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    Re: Palace Invasion---Now with 100% more Knov

    Quote Originally Posted by Rezard View Post
    I strongly belive that Knov's scream attack doesn't work if the foe have more aura than the user.
    Ive been asking myself those superior Aura negate the effcts of lesser Aura and the answer believe is yes and no.

    Quote Originally Posted by Demonspeed View Post
    Why? It's spatial manipulation, like Kuwabara's Dimension Sword. Durability is meaningless in this case.

    Right, I believe Knuv Scream attack would work on anybody he used it agains't.. However he has to extend the dimensional rift then catch his opponent in it. I doubt any Nen user is gonna let that weird attack touch them, and He has to pretty much physically touch you with that attack, so it's not OP and you can easily counter attack him.

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    Re: Palace Invasion---Now with 100% more Knov

    Dude what that basically means is that he has a one hit kill ability with basically no conditions attached. There's no way that's true. Even if it put him into zetsu it would still be overpowered.

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    Re: Palace Invasion---Now with 100% more Knov

    In your cenario, the changes in the whole fight would be + Pitou in the Royal Guards and + Gon (non-adult), Killua (more participant againt Pitou´s fight, less on Youpi´s one) and Knov on the Extermination team.

    Counting that Pouf´s actual fighting was only holding Morel off (not much really) and that he would have time to help whoever he prefered. Counting that Youpi alone could almost win against averyone, and that Pitou is, as Youpi, fighting oriented, the power level on the Royal Guards side would almost double! Knov alone can´t increase the Extermination´s teamfighting ability that much, even with that OP power.

    Also, if Killua is to spend his time on Pitou´s fight, he wouldn´t be able so save Knuckle in Youpi´s fight.

    Pitou being stopped to heal Komugi was the biggest luck the team had in the whole arc. Knov wasn´t afraid of her for no reason.

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    Re: Palace Invasion---Now with 100% more Knov

    Quote Originally Posted by Pokkle View Post
    You're absolutely right. My mistake.

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    Re: Palace Invasion---Now with 100% more Knov

    Didn't Knov get exposed to Pouf's aura without using any nen? Thats like going outside naked in a blizzard. No wonder he had a mental breakdown. Not to mention he was completely by himself with no one to help him if something went wrong so he literally pissed his pants when he thought of what would happen if he got caught.

    Not to excuse him but I don't think he is cowardly or anything. The circumstances were just really bad. Not everyone can be as (stupidly) brave as Gon. Well characters like Palm, Shoot, Knuckle also demonstrated more bravery. Maybe he is just a bit cowardly or maybe Palm and Knuckle are just very brave. Shoot was a coward but Gon helped him break out of his shell.

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    Re: Palace Invasion---Now with 100% more Knov

    It makes me sad that the royal guard were so damn OP lol... they should've been scaled down just a bit. This is totally unrelated, but do you guys think the entire phantom troupe (current members) would be able to take out the 3 RG? That would actually be a pretty interested fight! Meruem excluded because hes just way too OP lol.

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    Re: Palace Invasion---Now with 100% more Knov

    Quote Originally Posted by Riyuki View Post
    It makes me sad that the royal guard were so damn OP lol... they should've been scaled down just a bit. This is totally unrelated, but do you guys think the entire phantom troupe (current members) would be able to take out the 3 RG? That would actually be a pretty interested fight! Meruem excluded because hes just way too OP lol.
    No I do not think so. Its possible if they have prep time depending on the conditions. Maybe Feitan can hurt himself severely so he can use a very powerful Pain Packer from the start. That other guy forgot his name who gets a stronger attack by moving his arms could also prep up. However, under normal conditions I think they would lose. The RG are just way too durable and powerful. The margin of error against them is very small. Youpi can easily kill even Ryodan members in one clean hit or at least severely damage them. Same for Pitou.

    If Feitan makes a mistake like he did against that ant queen he would be dead against the RG. He would not even get to use Pain Packer.

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