Does Naruto need to end before it's too late? Obito's revelation killed the manga

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Hey I like Gai, but am I the only one who finds it inappropriate that he is here in the climactic battle, kiddin about the bijus and all things in Naruto that used to be important?

[Uchiha_Blood]

Hey I like Gai, but am I the only one who finds it inappropriate that he is here in the climactic battle, kiddin about the bijus and all things in Naruto that used to be important?

He was there for Kakashi and Obito, infact not that he's not needed anymore he's all bloody and stuff.
Or he probably beat himself up to give himself a handicap, a little foe like an immortal Madara is basically no threat for the Gaikage

[katon_style]

1.The growth of obito's hair and body isn't surprising with all that freaking stuf there underground(mazou,hashi cells,zetsu etc)
2..Obito's change of heart??!!! ok now he gives his life to save his best friend and the girl he loved and months later he witnes that his best friend stabs that girls in the heart!!!WTF and don't forget that before the scene happens madara was already trying to mind manipulating him and all this stuf for a guy at that delicate age was just a terrible shock and he had a confirmation of what he was being told days before.we can assume he is heavily disturbed.this thing probably will be explained that kakashi was under a genjutsu or that rin was a mist spy and konoha realized it and it was kakashi mission to kill her just like itachi mission.
3.about the age of nagato and co we should see konan to have an idea of their age.she looks at the same age like kurenai so obito and nagato & co are around the same age.now the question here is how come nagato and the others looks older than 13 or 14 when they first meet obito?the only question that can't find an answer and here kishi messed a little.
4.Now how did obito convinced nagato to form akatsuki?simple,to make him experience the same thing he did.with yahiko around it was very difficult for him to buy nagato over so it was neccesary to take him off from the scene and the best wasy was on selling them to Hanzou.Yahiko died and mission completed, Nagato was ready for mind***ing and his new subordinate.
5.It's time to capture the bijuu and since the real akatsuki wasn't yet formed it was his duty to capture some of them and he decided to start from the strongest and to attack konoha and eventually he failed.
6.the uchiha massacre?well since we have only listened that senju and uchiha were the real deal clans and since we haven't seen any senju except 1 and 2 hokage then in the current manga the only powerful clan remained with such powerful shinobis could become a threat to tobi's plans so would have been better for him a world without his clan.

Regarding to the fast and super power ups it's not the end of the world if the narutoverse momentally has 5 shinobis with HAX power that clearly makes the other 80.000 seems like kids before them.we have only naruto sasuke tobi madara and let's put kabuto with super HAX powers.Eh the manga probably is rushing to an end and it's normal that a few chars must disguise from the others.i'ts not like kishi is making shino or kiba destroying mountains.he is making only the main character who has a monster inside him,thre members of the elite clan who has a gifted dojutsu and the best spy or one of the best medical shinobi.if u want to defeat or kill the juubi u can't do it with exploding kunais or bugs or fire water light wind and earth techs and kishi is preparing the showdown for that event.

[Brill]

This doesn't make sense. He first doesn't even talk to Kakashi because he doesn't care, then attacks Konoha with Kakashi in it. Then he slaughtered Uchiha clan because he said to Sasuke that he wanted to get revenge. But we thought he was Madara, not Obito. Obito doesn't care about anything in this world, so I don't see any reason to do that. Madara and Obito just needed to collect bijuus to revive Juubi and cast Infinite Tsukuyomi. If you want to cast Infinite Tsukuyomi, then why did you kill all the Uchihas? Kishimoto has to explain these things.

Slaughtering the Uchiha is simple. Ylou remove a threat to your plan. The only ones who can control the bijuu are Uchiha and Jinchuuriki. Destroy the Uchiha and no one can take away your bijuu after you get it, and Itachi takes the balme for it. Smart move on Obito's part.

[The Fool]

Yeah but he didn't say that, he said he was seeking revenge. Revenge for what? He was Obito, not Madara. Besides if you want to do Infinite Tsukuyomi the revenge doesn't make sense.

[Kid Chameleone]

@katon style. k for one the hashirama cells thing couldnt enduce rapid hair and body growth. thats stpuid(on purpose lol). that logic doesnt make sense. how can getting someones cells cause you to grow at a rapid rate?

thats like me getting a blood transfusion and suddenly having blonde hair and blue eyes. blood carries dna so by that logic everyone whose had a blood transfusion would suddenly have different appearances. Not to mention the fact that having someones dna doesnt make you suddenly be able to do everything they can. hashi had a high recovery rate, so just by having a piece of his dna obito is able to have it to? hashi studied medical ninjutsu(apparently) and since obito has his dna he can just pop that shit off whenever he feels? that doesnt make sense.

I can draw and my brother cant draw a stick figure. we have the same dna so by your logic he should be able to draw right? people are born with different abilities they cant be passed on by a simple twist otherwise everyone would be doing it. why not just grab the dna of every super nin and put them all into one yourself to become the ultimate nin? and i know its a manga but they have to have a certain level of realism.

they live in a world where people can control energy and manipulate it through various means, k sweet makes sense it could happen its a vast universe and we dont know shit about it anything is possible. but when you decide to add things like dna and such you have to keep it legit because it contradicts the knowledge that we do have.

If you can pass on skills and appearance through dna im gonna kidnap scarlet johanson and inject every woman everywhere so the world will be a less ugly place or why not inject myself with a little bit of micheal jordans dna so i can get good at basketball? or get some phelps dna so i can swim like a fish?

legends arent born theyre created, your pretty much saying hashi was born the realest nin alive when he wasnt, sure he has abilities that others dont but he had to train and hone them and having his blood doesnt mean you can do all he can, tobirama couldnt even do half the stuff he did and they were bros, meaning same parents, which means same dna, so why couldnt he use moukton?

next off the obito attacking konoha thing, just because you dont care for the world doesnt mean you can kill youre entire family and attack your village. hes still gonna have emotional attachments to the people there regardless. i dont care for this world either its stupid, the rich get richer meanwhile there are poor people starving everywhere, i dont like it. that doesnt mean im gonna kill my family and try to destroy my city thats stupid.

I'll admit i was wrong about the obito meeting the 3 when theyre young cause i thought yahiko died after the 3rd war not during but still it doesnt change everything else. plus its stated by nagato that yahiko was the founder of akatsuki so if he created it obito had nothing to do with its creation his just manipulated their goals with his own

Slaughtering the Uchiha is simple. Ylou remove a threat to your plan. The only ones who can control the bijuu are Uchiha and Jinchuuriki. Destroy the Uchiha and no one can take away your bijuu after you get it, and Itachi takes the balme for it. Smart move on Obito's part.

thats stupid. only madara could control the kyuubi because hes the shit. the uchiha were a joke they got taken out by itachi and tobi without either of them coming out with a scratch and i know they attacked at night but theyre ninjas they should have some type of six sense or something. madara was on a different level of power as we can see and its safe to say that no other uchiha can or will touch him and he was the only one known to summon the fox. he's the only one capable of controling it so theres no way the uchihas besides sasuke, itachi or shunsui would be able to do it without busting theyre asses training and none of them wouldve tried to tame it because they have no need for it not to mention the fox was sealed and if they tried something on naruto or kushina while she was alive they wouldve got shit on by the 3rd or hit with an instant transmission rasengan to the face from minato

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and what about yamato? since he was injected with the dna shouldnt he have grown as fast too? he got his dna manipulated to match hashis so does that mean he's like 10 years old? i mean the cells do make you age quick right so he mustve just shot to being a full grown adult after like 3 years? does that sound right? no thats wack so how come obito grew that much while yamato had a regular life span and growth rate?

[marshall313]

Yamato has hashirama's DNA but he doesn't have any uchiha blood. So you're wrong.

And does madara just said that obito can control the GM because of hashirama's DNA? And we've seen obito controlling the kyubi with his normal sharingan. So it's safe to assume that any uchiha can control the kyubi if they have hashirama's DNA.

[Kid Chameleone]

Yamato has hashirama's DNA but he doesn't have any uchiha blood. So you're wrong.

wtf? being an uchiha has nothing to do with rapid growth rate. so your telling me that the two dna's combined and suddenly kicked started his purberty? are you serious? that doesnt make sense combining the two dnas gives you the rinnengan why would it make you age faster? thats a baseless argument that makes no sense, where is it stated that combining two different dna's causes that? in the manga or real life. that doesnt happen anywhere so i guess you're wrong.

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and yes madara did control the fox with the regular sharigan but madara is a ninja god who was the first to achieve the ms and obito is a guy trying to live out a lost love, his power level is no where near madaras. he had only like one or two years of training how could he catch up to madara? madara was born strong and had to be strong because of his constant battles as he grew up in a time of constant battles, obitos experience and capabilities shouldnt have been anywhere near his given the time he had to train himself and you can bring in the argument ''oh well hashirama cells'' but guess what its as i said earlier having someones dna doesnt give you their full capabilities. yes it wouldve made him stronger CHAKRA wise, not battle and skill wise

[marshall313]

wtf? being an uchiha has nothing to do with rapid growth rate. so your telling me that the two dna's combined and suddenly kicked started his purberty? are you serious? that doesnt make sense combining the two dnas gives you the rinnengan why would it make you age faster? thats a baseless argument that makes no sense, where is it stated that combining two different dna's causes that? in the manga or real life. that doesnt happen anywhere so i guess you're wrong.

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and yes madara did control the fox with the regular sharigan but madara is a ninja god who was the first to achieve the ms and obito is a guy trying to live out a lost love, his power level is no where near madaras. he had only like one or two years of training how could he catch up to madara? madara was born strong and had to be strong because of his constant battles as he grew up in a time of constant battles, obitos experience and capabilities shouldnt have been anywhere near his given the time he had to train himself and you can bring in the argument ''oh well hashirama cells'' but guess what its as i said earlier having someones dna doesnt give you their full capabilities. yes it wouldve made him stronger CHAKRA wise, not battle and skill wise

Wrong again. Having hashirama's DNA and madara as your master, then you can do anything. Experience? Capabilities? Madara already teach him on how to become a powerful shinobi, so battle experience and skill wise isn't an issue to obito.

Even if obito is nowhere in the same level of madara, but still, obito is the second most powerful ninja/uchiha next to madara.

Because of hashirama's DNA, obito doesnt need to poop or to eat. He regrow his arm and leg. So yeah, because of hashirama's DNA and obito's lineage as an uchiha, it suddenly kicked his puberty. He became an adult just because of that.

Even if obito became an insane maniac, but it still, it wasn't his fault. He thought kakashi betrayed him. What would you do if you sacrificed your life just for your friend? And then you saw him stabbing the girl you loved?

[ashher]

Why are people talking about growth rate? It was obviously the zetsu suit giving him the physique of a grown up. As to obito's motive, its a well used, cliched prop, but it was portrayed quite well. So no, obito being tobi did not kill the manga at all. The first chapter when it was officially confirmed, i thought that this is not gonna fit as well. But after the whole flashback, anyone without bias will have to admit that kishimoto managed to join most of the dots in a much better way than most of the readers(including me) thought possible.

[Kid Chameleone]

@marshall313. k this is bull. for one where does it state anywhere in the manga that it enduces rapid cell growth? the cells were only supposed to increase your chakra and give you the capabilities of moukton and now they can suddenly make you an adult? k then let me ask you this

since nagato had madaras eyes shouldnt he have aged faster too? i mean hes an uzumaki and they are related to the senju, he may not of had hashi exact dna but there wouldve been enough similiarities right? he had uchiha dna and senju/uzumaki dna so why didnt he grow up faster while obito did?

and as for the he was broken shit thats garbage too. any reasonable person wouldve taken kakashi with him to madara and as soon as he woke up wouldve asked one question: WHAT THE F***? but he didnt instead he decides to kill everyone attack his home and family because his girl died. clearly kakashi killed her for a reason, hes not the type of guy to leave his friends behind as he sacrificed an eye going back for obito and rin. obito knows this and yet and still he goes to try to take over the world...k. i know having you bestfriend kill your the girl you loved wouldve been rough but kakashi is still your bestfriend and its a lot easier to fall in love than finding a best friend. the logical thing to do would be to find out the whole story than make your decision not kill everyone and everything without knowing the whole story thats stupid.

your blindly accepting whatever kishi throws at us and this was an ass pull, the entire flashback was an ass pull. i thought it would redeem the manga but instead it just brought more unanswered questions and contradicted obitos human nature. he was a fun loving, laid back kid and one death causes him to attack and kill his family and countless other friends in the kyuubi raid. what the f***? ''omg the girl i loved died, shit guess that means i gotta take over the world''

and the trained by madara thing is bs too, this guy trained for like 3 months and came out a g? sasuke who was way stronger than obito at the same age got trained by kakashi and only learned the chidori and how to fight better, he couldnt take on a f*cking kage and i know hashi cells increases CHAKRA but thats it nothing more nothing less it doesnt increase your capabilities to learn how to fight and such otherwise everyone would be injecting themselves with others dna and its as i said in an earlier post why not just grab all the best nins dna and throw them into yourself to become a god?

I call bullsh*t. on this entire arc

[Brill]

thats stupid. only madara could control the kyuubi because hes the shit. the uchiha were a joke they got taken out by itachi and tobi without either of them coming out with a scratch and i know they attacked at night but theyre ninjas they should have some type of six sense or something. madara was on a different level of power as we can see and its safe to say that no other uchiha can or will touch him and he was the only one known to summon the fox. he's the only one capable of controling it so theres no way the uchihas besides sasuke, itachi or shunsui would be able to do it without busting theyre asses training and none of them wouldve tried to tame it because they have no need for it not to mention the fox was sealed and if they tried something on naruto or kushina while she was alive they wouldve got shit on by the 3rd or hit with an instant transmission rasengan to the face from minato

Apparently, that's not the case. Obito was able to control the Kyuubi when he fought Minato. Just knowing the jutsu is sufficient. People in this forum get carreid away with strength and chakra thinking they go hand in hand. Controlling the bijuu doesn't follow that course. If a loser like Obito can learn to control the Kyuubi then the other losers in the village would be capable as well. Obito didn't know which ones might so he took them all out. Strategic move.

and what about yamato? since he was injected with the dna shouldnt he have grown as fast too? he got his dna manipulated to match hashis so does that mean he's like 10 years old? i mean the cells do make you age quick right so he mustve just shot to being a full grown adult after like 3 years? does that sound right? no thats wack so how come obito grew that much while yamato had a regular life span and growth rate?

But he was infused by DNA by Orochiamru. You don't know if he used a variant or not, and considering how messed up most of Orochimaru's experiments are I'm betting it wasn't the real deal.

[0Xellos]

But he was infused by DNA by Orochiamru. You don't know if he used a variant or not, and considering how messed up most of Orochimaru's experiments are I'm betting it wasn't the real deal.

Hashirama's DNA is Hashirama's DNA. There are no variants to the same person's DNA (if you have AIDS, that's a different case, but let's not assume Hashirama was famous for that "wood" ).
It messed up Oro's experiments because another person's cells don't just hatch freely on you.
If Yamato wasn't the real dead, why did Kabuto value him so much and used him to improve Zetsus, if they already had Madara's version of Hashirama cells?

[Brill]

Hashirama's DNA is Hashirama's DNA. There are no variants to the same person's DNA (if you have AIDS, that's a different case, but let's not assume Hashirama was famous for that "wood" ).
It messed up Oro's experiments because another person's cells don't just hatch freely on you.
If Yamato wasn't the real dead, why did Kabuto value him so much and used him to improve Zetsus, if they already had Madara's version of Hashirama cells?

Actually it wasn't the real deal because all of Orochimary's experiments died except Yamato. So whatever DNA form that Orochimaru infused into his guinea pigs, it clearly wasn't the same that was given to Obito.

[ninjabot]

The Obito revelation didn't kill the manga. People have been complaining about the manga since Part 1 (despite the fact that everyone claims it was far and away superior to Part 2). Which, it was... but it doesn't change the fact that even back then people swore they'd "quit the manga" if Kishimoto didn't do what they wanted.

Ditto for this particular event.