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    Re: can any middel school beat the number 3 stringer duke?

    Phantron dude.
    Read our posts.

    If Hakamada, Mutsu twins, Date, Mitsuya and Taira/Hara finished off their matches and took on new opponents in the time that Irie took on Akiba and Fuwa took on Yukimura,
    Then it meant nobody was taking points, or Yukimura and Fuwa were taking points.

    At the blindfold stage, Fuwa took off his blindfold in anger saying "I'll teach you to spit on the kindnes of others" which cites that it was no longer going so well for him.

    He says "You play tennis better than I thought", this means Fuwa couldn't have been doing necessarily well at that point and the situation was just neutral.
    For him to take off his headband in anger hints to the suggestion he wasn't doing so well.

    Lastly Sanada and Oni I'm guessing were in on the whole Revolution thing. (I think we can assume that the Court Leader for MS 2ndCourt if there is one would be Sanada).
    And the fact that they knew not to send in back-up for Yukimura and Irie kinda hints that they knew Fuwa and Akiba were definetely going to lose to their opponents.

    We have nothing to suggest Fuwa > Yuki stat wise.
    same with Irie and Akiba.

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    Re: can any middel school beat the number 3 stringer duke?

    only other person i can think of now is.... fuji. why? because he makes counters or strategies vs tough opponents.

    lets face it fuji vs DUke, its most likely duke would win but fuji in this match would be forced to evolve. if anyone has the most potential to stand a chance.. its fuji.

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    Re: can any middel school beat the number 3 stringer duke?

    Quote Originally Posted by ashore View Post
    only other person i can think of now is.... fuji. why? because he makes counters or strategies vs tough opponents.

    lets face it fuji vs DUke, its most likely duke would win but fuji in this match would be forced to evolve. if anyone has the most potential to stand a chance.. its fuji.
    The only way I see Fuji returning DH is if he made another tech that has something to do with the wind.

    He needed an upgrade to his technique to return a smash from the 3.5 strength Shiraishi. Dealing with power shot is not his forte.

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    Re: can any middel school beat the number 3 stringer duke?

    yea thats my point. fuji makes counters to help him in certain situations aka countering an opponents technique/skills. so far we haven't seen him make a counter for someone who uses a ultra super strong techniques /shot/atk against him.

    if they faced off, fuji would fly away like a HOMERUN or develop a way to counter.

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    Re: can any middel school beat the number 3 stringer duke?

    Quote Originally Posted by ashore View Post
    yea thats my point. fuji makes counters to help him in certain situations aka countering an opponents technique/skills. so far we haven't seen him make a counter for someone who uses a ultra super strong techniques /shot/atk against him.

    if they faced off, fuji would fly away like a HOMERUN or develop a way to counter.
    Honestly I see it more likely that Fuji gets blown away and then lands unharmed because he used the wind to soften the blow, compared to him ever developing a technique that can outright cancel out such power because history is not his side when dealing with extreme power.

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    Re: can any middel school beat the number 3 stringer duke?

    I see Fuji creating something similar to Fourth Counter in which the power of the ball is not softened but carefully redirected back at the opponent. That way, they are forced to return their own shot.
    "Sorry, but I never lose to the same opponent twice." - Fuji

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    Re: can any middel school beat the number 3 stringer duke?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fuji Shusuke View Post
    I see Fuji creating something similar to Fourth Counter in which the power of the ball is not softened but carefully redirected back at the opponent. That way, they are forced to return their own shot.
    That's got too much in common with Hyakuren. Fuji's techs tend to have relatively unique effects. There's also a trend to get away with stuff that unconditionally counters stuff. For example you don't see Niou using Hyakuren at all in the doubles match, even though it seems like it must be better than just playing normally. In fact Hyakuren is probably the poster child of the 'free lunch' tech as you literally get double of the enemy's power out of thin air. Even TnK's power allegedly comes from the user. This tech as a whole is literally in the limbo aside from a cameo apperance against Kaidoh so I don't think you should expect 'free lunch' techs to show up. After all it'd be pretty stupid to repeatedly talk about how the HS have crazy base stats and then have 'free lunch' techs work on HS players. If you can Hyakuren the DH what's the point to train for more power?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantron View Post
    That's got too much in common with Hyakuren. Fuji's techs tend to have relatively unique effects. There's also a trend to get away with stuff that unconditionally counters stuff. For example you don't see Niou using Hyakuren at all in the doubles match, even though it seems like it must be better than just playing normally.
    Since Hyakku Ren only returns Spin and Power. Not speed. So it wouldn't have much use against Ochi.
    At HS level, G10 must have at the bare minimum Fuji technique. And even Chitose nulled Hyakku Ren by hitting well placed and weak shots.
    So Hyakku Ren isn't that great against those at the Top end of the tier.

    Quote Originally Posted by Phantron View Post
    In fact Hyakuren is probably the poster child of the 'free lunch' tech as you literally get double of the enemy's power out of thin air. Even TnK's power allegedly comes from the user. This tech as a whole is literally in the limbo aside from a cameo apperance against Kaidoh so I don't think you should expect 'free lunch' techs to show up. After all it'd be pretty stupid to repeatedly talk about how the HS have crazy base stats and then have 'free lunch' techs work on HS players. If you can Hyakuren the DH what's the point to train for more power?
    Why would Hyakku Ren work on HSers if they know they just have to hit weak shots with great technique?
    Don't overrate Hyakku Ren. It's only good because Tezuka has TZ which Niou can access, and even that is more than breakable at the top end of the tier.
    Even if Niou brought out HJnK with TZ it would be extra stress eventually as TZ + HJnK isn't a sure win at the very top end of the tier.

    And Konomi isn't going to have Niou play against Mid tier or anything lower ever again at this stage.

    However with DH, I agree with you that Hyakku Ren would end Duke so it's existence would be confusing.
    Last edited by Airgrimes; November 10, 2012 at 12:29 PM.

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    Re: can any middel school beat the number 3 stringer duke?

    The reason Niou didn't use the doors could also be that they seemingly require a lot of strength, either physically or mentally. Against Fuji he was only able to use them for a very short amount of time, and Chitose made a comment about that before first using Saiki as well, saying that he wouldn't be able to step through the door if his opponent at the time wasn't Tachibana.
    While the same can be said about TPhantom (although with that one we know it's physical strength), Niou may have ruled that Phantom was more useful than Hyakuren in that situation, and at the beginning of the match he probably didn't plan to use it that much either (so he would just start with Hyakuren to kill himself in the first set).

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    Re: can any middel school beat the number 3 stringer duke?

    The doors require far less energy to use compared to TPhantom/ZSS. There isn't even a noticeable side effect from either of the first two doors but we sure know TPhantom/ZSS can literally end your tennis career early. That means if you can use TPhantom/ZSS at all of course the energy cost for the other two doors is trivial. Now in Niou's match since his opponent seems to have extremely low strength for some inexplicable reason (Niou turning into Kabaji can bust their racket) you can say you might not get as much mileage out of it, but Tezuka always used Hyakuren as an 'always-on' skill since it doesn't look like maintaining Hyakuren costs any meaningful amount of energy.

    Note that this is a doubles match too so the speed issue isn't a big deal because you got another guy covering for you. Sure the G10 can hit a normal hit and you'd get nothing for Hyakuren, but maintaining Hyakuren seemingly costs next to nothing so why wouldn't you do it?

    It's not even an issue of how hard it is to counter Hyakuren. Sure you can say all the G10 guys probably knows how to deal with it but then it makes a lot of stuff that illustrates their power pointless. Duke obviously has no reason to even exist if a Hyakuren can just double the power of DH back and instantly killing him (if he fears 60% of his power would lose to Hado 108 I'm sure 200% of his own power would definitely take him out). We had Byodouin making a serve that left a crater in a wall, and then Ryoga returning the same serve as an indication of both character's overall power. Yet if you go by the definition of Hyakuren anyone could've done that if they have Hyakuren. In fact you'd probably be able to send Byodouin flying if you assume he served with at least 50% of his maximum power, as that'd imply double of that must be too high for him to withstand it (assuming his stats is balanced for offense/defense).

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    Re: can any middel school beat the number 3 stringer duke?

    now that latest chapter is out, one may consider kintarou, unless duke has more powers.

    also shown oni can return Tnk shots from the opponent, could duke do the same, or is he just pure power and less skill?

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    Re: can any middel school beat the number 3 stringer duke?

    Quote Originally Posted by ashore View Post
    also shown oni can return Tnk shots from the opponent, could duke do the same, or is he just pure power and less skill?
    How are we going to know that, his match lasted 3 panels

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    Re: can any middel school beat the number 3 stringer duke?

    Right now it's looking like Duke managed to get his position on the team by being a yes-man to Byoduoin.

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    Re: can any middel school beat the number 3 stringer duke?

    Quote Originally Posted by Phantron View Post
    Right now it's looking like Duke managed to get his position on the team by being a yes-man to Byoduoin.
    He is kinda like a cool Kabaji imo lol

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