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I think most of disappointment from latest chapters comes from Moon Eye Plan being poorly explained. Kishi didn't convince me that it is good idea, and everyone in manga thinks its bad idea except Obito. This is why Obito looks stupid. Having a world without winners where all are happy is good idea, and I can understand Obito falls for that, but I have so many questions about MEP that I can't take it serious candidate for creating this world.
1. How will Rin be revived in MEP? What will happen to her personality? Is she zombie, or what?
2. What will happen to free will? Can someone choose what to eat for lunch, or who to kill?
3. Do you need living people inside MEP, or can you create/revive all that are missing? Is Minato going to be there? Is it his personality or puppet moved by Madara/Obito?
4. If Obito is controlling everyone, can he enjoy it and relax in this world, or just work work work...
5. Can you kill everyone in this war, and still have them alive in MEP?
6. If you don't need other people for MEP, if you can create them, why including them in the plan in the first place? Just lock up in cave and create everyone in your fantasy, and let others live above the way they want.
7. What is world without winners? World where everyone is happy? It is enough to have two boys in love with same girl and you have a problem to make three of them happy. Is Madara going to instruct who will fall in love with who?
8. What happens to the world when Madara/Obito die?
Maybe Madara had Obito persuaded that this is good idea, like Danzo persuaded that Samurai that it is good idea for him to be leader of 5 armies. But instead Madaras plan is something more believable like ruling the world.
They said it was an illusion no? So no one is really being revived. Just mass hypnosis forced onto the world by two butthurt losers.
Last edited by Sanadan; October 29, 2012 at 12:37 PM.
I started thinking this Moon Eye plan is a lie and he wants just Juubi's power to obliterate everyone on earth and become the king of the world.
#6...You would think Madara would just cast an infinite Genjutsu on himself and just say F**K the world. The whole plan was just a bad idea on Kishi's part completely.
They would be alive to the person inside the illusion, which is what he meant. Those butthurt losers want to share the wealth (even with people that don't want said wealth). That's why they're casting it on the world. They're not taking away individuality or free will as they'd still be conscious inside the illusion. They'd just be in a world where they live forever in a life given to them by Madara-dono.Originally Posted by Sanadan
If it was all about vengeance they'd settle for destroying the world rather than altering it.
Once again, if the Genjutsu was cast on himself alone, he has no affect on the actual world. Madara is a warrior. Nothing would be more pathetic to him than hiding in a dream for eternity while those who questioned his ability to rule lived their lives in the sun. What he wants is to be in control of everything. Not necessarily to rule with an iron fist from what we've seen. But because it's his right as the true strongest. And by giving the world the perfect dream world to live in not only will they witness his absolute power... but they'll love him for it, the way the Uchiha clan used to.Originally Posted by GomuGomu_Gesuga
Hashirama took everything from Madara when his clan turned on him and chose him as the first Hokage. He's refilling that void with Tsuki no Mei
Last edited by ninjabot; October 29, 2012 at 01:55 PM.
Whilst Obito wants to resurrect a girl who doesn't love him, Madara just wants to resurrect Hashirama in his wonderful dream world.
Having outlived him, Madara got lonely without his wooden buddy...
Or that. Yeah. Maybe.
But the way I said it was cooler.
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The Uchihas are full of fuck.
Ever seen The Matrix? Remember how everyone wanted a life of freedom from the machines except the one traitor (Cypher I think his name was?) He didn't care that the world was fake, because it FELT real, and offered more than the pain and struggle of what Earth had become. Anything he wanted, the machines could give to him. Despite the fact that they held dominion over him.Originally Posted by Sanadan
You really don't think there'd be anyone in the Narutoverse who would take that deal? Especially ninja like Obito that have suffered loss and just want to be with their loved ones again? You think Sakura's willpower is too strong to let her choose a dreamworld where she has 100 mini Sasuke children with her beloved? Or that there were Konoha ninja that wouldn't choose a life where the Kyuubi never stomped on their village and killed all their family and friends? When all they have to do to gain this is look at the moon?
What about 'em? The ones that miss them will see them again in the dreamworld. That's my point: I'm not justifying the dream or the sacrifices made to achieve it. I'm simply pointing out Obito's logic. Nothing matters in the real world because you can have anything you want in the fake world. Is the concept that vague? Doesn't seem like it, lol.Quote:
Itachi's Tsukuyomi makes 60 seconds last for 3 days. And I've reason to believe that a Mugen Tsukuyomi cast from the moon is infinitely more powerful. Even if it followed Itachi's same rules it would mean that... let's see. 60 seconds in minute... 60 minutes in an hour... 1 hour is 3600 seconds... multiply that for every hour in a day and you get 86,400 seconds. Divide that by 20 because 20 seconds on the outside is 1 day on the inside and we get 4320 days.Originally Posted by pera2
So unless my math is horrible (and it is, normally), one day outside of Mugen Tsukuyomi could/should equal 4320 days inside. Divide this by 365 days since that's how long a year lasts and... in one day one person will have lived for 11 or so years. Multiply that by 365 days on the outside and on the inside someone would have lived close to 4015 years. In the course of one year. Multiply that by the 50 years you mentioned and over a lifetime someone will have lived 200,750 years.
Not infinite, but pretty damn close. And this is all assuming he doesn't force everyone to be connected to the Zetsu factory inorder to sustain them indefinitely, for eternity. Making it truely an Infinite Tsukuyomi.
This one I agree with, though, there are workarounds. Why can't Madara construct her psyche based on Obito and Kakashi's combined memories? We've seen memories can be shared via Genjutsu. Also... can't he just use Rinne Tensei to bring her back before thrusting her into the Genjutsu?Quote:
The Totsuka no Tsurugi seals you inside of a world of blissful Genjutsu for all eternity. You don't die in there. And I have reason to believe it's not gonna be nearly as powerful as the Mugen Tsukuyomi. Based on that I really don't think people dying off is that big of a problem here. Whether the Jyuubi chakra keeps them all alive the way Gedo Mazo kept Madara alive, or whether their bodies die and their minds are kept alive inside of the Genjutsu is anyone's guess. But if all he wanted was to control via fear and destruction, he'd just do it. There'd be no point in the mass Tsukuyomi.Originally Posted by Sanadan
Last edited by ninjabot; October 30, 2012 at 01:01 PM.
The Moons Eye Plan is essentially the Matrix
Peace is more of an illusion than reality. Let's face it, humans are not even at peace with themselves let alone with others who clash with their school of thoughts. Madara's moon eye plan is more of a paradox of the whole illusion statement. Only that he is giving them true peace with the irony of it being an illusion. That's the best way I can put it.
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@ninjabot I can so see Sakura taking this 100 mini Sasuke deal in a heart beat. lol