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Translations: Gintama 507 (2)
one piece wikia states that yami yami no mi user recive double damage from hits.. so few hard hits from ao kiji could end bb.. i also think that roukushiki/haki user is bb true weakness
This is really a tough one. We know that BB has two DFs and thus seems to be among the strongest in One Piece world, but we know that he doesn't posses Haki and is a really slow starter, thus it might be a real problem for him fighting one on one against guys like Ao Kiji, Akainu or Kizaru, especially since defense and speed are his best fits.
Ao Kiji really showed great fits in speed and seems to know Rokushiki to some extent, thus I believe he can easily outspeed BB and if he manages to perform the same Ice Age he used to freeze a damn big Tsunami, then he might win against BB, though if he can't perform this, then he might actually loose the fight, especially since no matter how great his ability is and how strong his Haki is BB has two DFs and in a long run if the battle will be prolonged, then it would be a very big problem for Kuzan.
If I remember well, when Aikanu got to the island where BB was He left because He said He wasn't ready. Aokiji must be in a somewhat close level to Aikanu since they both fought for 10 days.
And I assume that everyone got stronger.
With the data I have I can only determine Aokiji as the winner. Not gonna vote yet though.
I believe Ao Kiji might be actually stronger than Akainu. The thing is that Akainu when fighting Aokiji had a clear superiority in DF powers since lava is a natural enemy to ice, so Ao Kiji was damn impressive for me, since he managed to fight for such a long time, when he had such a handicap against his opponent of more or less equal level.
I think Aokiji wins this round. As stated earlier Ace just managed to block one of Aokiji's attack in the war, they both have anti elements(opposing in nature) which makes a draw. As Mr3 was able to block the initial attack of Magellan its not that Magellan is weak and ofcourse wax is nothing before the final attack(Venom Demon: Hell's Judgment), similarly Buggy Vs mihawk, so my point is Ace managed to nullify one of Aokiji's attacks it does not mean he is on par with Aokiji. If the fight between both of them continued Aokiji is a certain winner, He is an admiral afterall.
The fight between Whitebeard and Aokiji nothing can be drawn out of it. Aokiji tried to block/freeze Whitebeard with iceblock and Whitebeard attacked with his bisento but nothing happend to Aokiji and when Aokiji is about to attack with Ice Block Partisan Diamond Jozu attacked/caught him off gaurd. So cant comment on how much damage will the Whitebeard would have taken had the fight went on. Whenever Sengoku wanted something to be done quickly he asked Aokiji to do it because he knows he the man to be trusted
Finally pre-time skipwhen Akainu came to the island Blackbeard ran from him saying its too early for him to face Akainu. Now we know that Akainu and Aokiji fought for 10 whole days and both are equally good but Akainu had upper hand. So it implies that Aokiji is as good as Akainu when came to fighting capabilities. So I think Aokiji will have the upper hand in this battle between him and Blackbeard. (pre time skip pretty sure, post time skip sure )
We should also take in consideration that no matter that BB has two DFs he still isn't as good with WB's DF as WB was. BB only has this DF for 2 years (and we assume him as he last fought with it as we didn't see him after timeskip), so I doubt he is as versatile with it as WB was. I believe the only thing he can do is make a big earthquake, but it was even proven by the Admirals during the War that such and earthquake can be blocked with Armament's Haki, so Ao Kiji really has a chance here and I would really give victory to him in this fight, especially if he manages to make a good start and speedblitz Teach and punish him with Ice Age.
you guys are mad.
Aokiji and Ace, are like a horse and a bug.
BB would NEVER WIN against Aokiji.
Well, BB is actually quite strong. He has two of the strongest DFs in One Piece and no matter how weak he is himself he is still a very strong opponent to anyone due to this fact. It's not because BB is weak, but because Ao Kiji is damn strong he can win the fight. Also it's quite a conditional. If Ao Kiji doesn't manage to outspeed Teach and use Ice Age on him and then finish him off with several strong piercing attacks, then the fight will be prolonged and then Kuzan might actually loose as having such strong DFs is quite a fit.
BB's greatest drawback is his carelessness. When Magellan used his Hydra, he would've been dead if not for
the plotShiliew. If Aokiji goes for quick, certain kill, it's almost certain to be his victory.
Yes, precisely! BB is a slow starter. And that's his biggest weakness. Especially against the guys of Ao Kiji's caliber. If not for a plot he would have died either against Magellan or against Whitebeard, so in such a fight most of it depends on how Ao Kiji will start the fight. If he goes straight for the kill, then he wins, if not, then it might turn either way if the fight will be prolonged.
you all pissing me off, BB isn't super fast, Magellan soloed his crew.
He's too confident, and he can't use both DF at the same time, even luffy got him.
BB loses to aokiji.
Last edited by Giammaio; November 01, 2012 at 08:41 AM.
Well, reread the end of Marineford Arc. It is obviously shown that Teach can use two of his DFs at the same time. And that makes a real differense in a fight with any opponent.
Also noone actually argues that Teach has any fighting fits besides of having to DFs, so of course he got some punches from Luffy, but everyone knows that Teach is a slow starter. The same way he started the fight against Ace and he still one it.
P.S. The thing is that I actually believe Ao Kiji can win this fight and I stated it in my posts in this thread. The only thing I'm argueing with you is because I can't see how Teach can loose easily and badly to Ao Kiji. No matter how we look at BB, he is still damn strong.
Blackbeard overstimates his ability, way too much.
What ability in particular? He only overstimated his ability twice:
1. Against Magellan, but well Magellan is somewhere around Admirals, but without Logia. He is the synonim of Impel Down.
2. When he fought Whitebeard. He though he would defeat WB just by negating his DF, but he wasn't the strongest man in the World for nothing, thus he showed his insane physical power + Haki + his weapon mastery and thus showed BB to be useless against him.
In all other situations BB actually managed to be on top. The thing is that not only we talking about BB with Yami Yami no mi, but also about the one who also has Whitebeard's DF.
Still, I do believe Ao Kiji can win this fight if he manages to speedblitz Teach as he is a slow starter.