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Bottom right hand corner panel "I'm worn out" that is before handing over the power. http://www.mangareader.net/135-39430...apter-159.html
I hope you agree that it was not full power but his left over.
The fact that Natsu has the capacity for Dragon Force alone should count for something, and in theory he could reach it by consuming enough regular flame. He just happened to be handed a condensed version. Natsu also might have needed another person's help to defeat Racer, but that wasn't the point being made about him. The point was that Lyon had a significantly larger hand in Racer's defeat. Gray was just tripping Racer here and there or trying to keep up with him. Lyon was the one who figured out how to defeat him and set everything up for that. Lyon's also the one who saved Gray when Racer got back up after being beaten and attempted a kamikaze attack, kind of like that thing people point out where Cobra got back up after the fight with Natsu.
But looking at more recent battles, even if Natsu hadn't indicated that he could beat Ultear himself, he probably could have too if he'd been the one there when she got distracted by flashbacks. He may have taken more of a beating in that time, but that's never stopped him before. Gray beat his opponent there because he was lucky. And if you want to talk about Gray being resourceful with the blood ice than give Natsu some credit for taking down Hikaru with the voodoo doll.
about racer fight all im saying is that even natsu could not have defeated him alone... its not about what the fight was implying...its just the opponent was too good to be handled alone by natsu or grey or lyon...
about ultear...all i was pointing out that grey did too good compared to his conditon against her...
agreed on the way natsu handled voodoo doll...
the point here is that people underestimate grey a lot...you can come up with many reasons to support natsu...and you will get coz he is the main character...he gets lucky,or help or some powerups everytime... in none of your point have you proved that grey is inferior to natsu...and that was my whole point to begin with
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Last edited by adbanginwar; November 15, 2012 at 11:48 AM.
And again he is not second to Natsu, to Erza yeah but not to Natsu. You still didn't reply to many things. Gray may have not defeated Racer but put up a fight while Natsu couldn't even touch the latter. And again the thing with the Owl where he owned Natsu but got owned By Gray, even Natsu was angry saying that Gray will hold to this one and brag about it.
Just because Ultear got distracted for moments by the flashbacks doesn't mean thats the only reason Gray won. With Natsu's IQ and his magic, i can't see him doing this at all. Beside we already saw how he fair against the former two times and he just got thrashed, hell he was almost defeated by Kain Hikaru whom is weaker than Ultear and much more stupid, this only shows that without his Nakama power-ups and other power-ups he is as good as lucy.
Last edited by KingOfNight; November 15, 2012 at 12:13 PM.
I hate to break it to you, but the wiki isn't done by anyone involved in the production of Fairy Tail. It's put together by people who read the same online translations that you do. They just try to keep things looking as fact based as possible.
(by the way, the official translation of the worn out line while the fight with Brain is going on is is "I'm already torn to shreds" but also has Erza saying before she starts fighting Midnight "He's exhausted his reserves of magic" from using the destruction spell on himself.)
did i belittle natsu in any way ? apart from stating facts all i said was that grey cannot be underestimated...i never said that he is stronger than natsu...did i ?Quote:
...I know what the wiki is
hahaha, you guys are amazing. When some1 wins with power up or nakama power up we complained. When Laxus kicked Raven Tail ass with no power up or anything. Just pure strength we also did not like that.
I don't wanna go into who is stronger discussion there is already a thread for that. We should atleast agree with each other that all the "5 main team" uses the nakama power up. However I agree that Natsu lean more on his friends n outside help to win his fights, and Grey actually uses his head in battle.
Also agree that up until now, for me Grey only good fight was the recent one against Rufus, you should not give him credit or say that he actually defeated Ultear or Recer Sorry but he didn't.
Racer was gonna kill Grey after his final blow " which was Lyon idea anyway", and Ultear lost the will to fight she was confused with all the flashback coming to her, and let us not forget that Ultear can always go back and user Arc of time to take out Grey ice.
Just think about it he only used his blood to attack her the first time, I doubt he has enough blood to keep freezing n use it against some1....and even if he did that she can use Ice magic to defend against it....
As for Grey being stronger than Gajeel...well...
Last edited by Ifrit; November 15, 2012 at 03:20 PM.
Guys please take the discussion of "Who is stronger than who?" to the proper thread.
Please keep on track with the thread topic.