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well SHP using haki has been a subject of debate...but there is one more thing called as "listening of sounds " in one piece...
roger had this ability (he marked poneglymph ...skypiea arc)...luffy has been confirmed to have this ability (sea kings..fishman island arc)...
now about zoro...i think he also possess the same power...remember in arabasta arc against Mr.1 ...he talked about hearing sounds of things before he cut steel... that came as a level up for zoro...so it has already been hinted that he can listen to sounds of the objects...
maybe in new world saga luffy and zoro will both start listening to the sound of the objects...this ability by far seems most unqiue and rarest among all...even more than conquerors haki...any views on this ?
I agreed with you, i also have noticed this before. Frightening the enemy is a characteristic of Haoshoku also
Maybe they're different abilities.
Why I say this? Because other characters which said that have/had Conquerors Haki had the SAME ability of listening to stuff. It may sound similar, but I think Oda is being ambiguous on purpose here to allow a second unique thing to show.
Zoro may have CoC haki, but I don't think he even used it in this chapter. That was just Monet's instinct telling her that she's powerless against Zoro. Zoro didn't use CoA haki, so why would he use CoC (if he looks down on Monet as someone much weaker than him)?
And the epiphany in Alabasta was IMO just the swordsman in him, not hearing voices of things.
i was talking about him listening to voice of things...and he clearly mentions that during arabasta arc...although he talks about listening to breathing of things
i was just wondering that it could be the same thing as listening to voices of things...
I think they are different abilities.
What Luffy does, I think, is only good for the D people, like Roger and him, and only a few selected of them.
What Zoro does, I think his more related to swordmanship.
For instance, Mihawk can probably do it as well.
Although, I could be wrong. It might simply be a Haki ability.
For instance, I wouldn't be surprised if Shanks or Rayleigh (which as far as we know are NOT from the D people), can hear the sounds as well.
i dont think its related to haki coz roger was able to understand ancient language coz of this(none of the haki users can do that making robin unique) ...its totally on a different scale...
imo this ability will play a major role in finding raftael...this could explain that why so many other strong pirates could not reach raftael while Roger did...
Maybe it is the translation I read but I think there is a distinct difference made in the manga between what Luffy and Roger can do which is to hear the voice of all things and what Zoro managed to do in Alabasta which is to hear the breath of the things around him; which sounded more like a metaphor for being in tune with his surroundings as a necessary step to learning to cut steel...if anything this felt more to me as being a rudimentary version of COO than anything else
Roger was able to hear great animals and things:
-Luffy is able to hear great animals
-Zoro is able to hear things.
Complementing the skills of the previous Pirate King will help to the plot, having a team is more appropiate in shonen to achieve something. Something to separate of Haki term is just meaningless.
If i remember correctly, rayleigh never said that there are only 3 typs of haki.
He only said that everyone could lern coa and coo and that some could use coc.
That could also mean, that there are more than those 3 typs.
So that hearing the voice of all things could also be some kind of haki or rare power. So if luffy has coc zorro could have another type of haki to stand above the rest.
That theory could also explain why shanks is so powerful, he has some rare kind of haki.
To clarify on my post above, I refute the fact that Zoro has the ability to hear the voice of things...so far it is clear that Roger had this ability called the ability to hear the voice of all things and that Luffy will no doubt develop it with tiime, for all we know it is a trait of the carriers of the will of D but this is only speculation at this stage
The reason why I say Zoro doesn't have it is simple...what we saw in Alabasta wasn't Zoro hearing the voices of things, it was Zoro feeling the breath of the things around him which i believe is a metaphor for increased awareness or at best some rudimentary COO...if he could hear the voice of things then there should have been a conversation....Roger could do so and that is how he knew what was written on the poneglyph without knowing how to read its language...if you refute my argument show me what the rocks, trees and steel told Zoro and I will gladly retract
Last edited by Kyodai Senkan Mora; November 04, 2012 at 09:54 PM.
i won't disagree with your opinion but what you are saying is also not proved...how can you say listening breathing of things is type of COO ? i understand the state of complete awareness but it has never been stated anywhere that listening to breathing of things is equal to complete awareness or haki...what i find interesting here is that the terms "breath of objects" has never been used anywhere except from that time...
also listening to the sounds of things cannot be proved as a trait of D coz there are many D's while it has never been stated that all of them can hear sounds of things...
about 3 types of haki...it is never said that there are "only" 3 types...all that has been stated is about 3 types of haki people use...
simply a speculation from my side
About the breath of things, I only meant a state of heightened awareness, not a mastery of COO.