Naruto 609 Discussion

[Sonia Khan]

I´m waiting for Kurama:

"Hey Naruto lets seal him in you we have an empty Cage in here that we do no longr need." XD

I think he wont suggest the cage straight away instead he will suggest how he was sealed in Mito and Kushina and if Jyuubi behaved then he ll get a cage for him

[mattiaildivino]

Uhm,there is a mistake,though: kakashi might have been restored by kurama,but that shouldn't mean he can spam kamui again,as his seesight should be getting worse and worse.no matter if his chakra is ok,his ms isn't...

[Sonia Khan]

Uhm,there is a mistake,though: kakashi might have been restored by kurama,but that shouldn't mean he can spam kamui again,as his seesight should be getting worse and worse.no matter if his chakra is ok,his ms isn't...

Well once they reach to the hideout of tobi, then who cares about the worsening eye sight, every one will get plenty , but seriously i dont think there is any specific limit of how much u can use ur eyes, i mean Iachi used it for a long period and his eyes took a longer time to reach to the state in which they were while fighting with sasuke, so does Kakashi who is using MS from quite some times still no ill effects shown but Sasuke was almost near blind when he was about to face Naruto at the bridge.

[LeidenReloaded]

Well looking back to the flashback. Kakashis MS was activated together with Obitos so I guess Kakashis MS is ok as long as Obitos MS is.

[darkprince0521]

Well proving THIS statement Untrue means you ll be changing the whole story line and personality of SO6P.... becoz if it wasnt true that Jyubi was evil then why did SO6P bothered to do all that stuff which he did to Jyubi.

so what? it's not like change of personality is unseen in this manga.

and for the record, sealing a tailed beast doesn't change one's personality from good or bad or whatever. prime example would be Minato. Rikudō Sennin sealed the beast for another reason is not unthinkable.

Well looking back to the flashback. Kakashis MS was activated together with Obitos so I guess Kakashis MS is ok as long as Obitos MS is.

and why is that?

[Sonia Khan]

Well looking back to the flashback. Kakashis MS was activated together with Obitos so I guess Kakashis MS is ok as long as Obitos MS is.

And Obitos MS will be ok becoz he has Hashirama's cells implanted in him, and becoz of this Kakashi's MS wont loose sight , and if thats happened then i guess that will be trolling / fan service W/e you call it

[number12michael]

No idea why that route wasn't taken... I guess Kishi just wanted to show the "pains" of war? Which is basically bullshit since Naruto didn't lose anyone close to him....

ok so just to get this straight...Kiba, Hinata, neji, rock lee, sakura, sasuke , kakashi, gai, bee, Tsunade, Gaara-- one of them should die? as they are the closest to naruto

and really naruto already lost his teacher so i think he gets the pain thing....hell if anyone dies i want it to be naruto...just because it would be something i never say coming, imagine naruto dies to save the world and its only after his death that he is givin the honorary tittle of "hokage" or "kage" of the ninja world

[hatsuharupeace]

No idea why that route wasn't taken... I guess Kishi just wanted to show the "pains" of war? Which is basically bullshit since Naruto didn't lose anyone close to him....

Mind you, Naruto lost both of his parents, which is one of the major pains of war as a child, especially in a ninja-styled world where surviving for yourself is mandatory, and the only people you can trust are your direct family (which turns out to be false anyway... the Uchiha's are unique individuals).

[Roman]

Uhm,there is a mistake,though: kakashi might have been restored by kurama,but that shouldn't mean he can spam kamui again,as his seesight should be getting worse and worse.no matter if his chakra is ok,his ms isn't...

That's actually the thing I've always wondered. Obito's Mangekyou Sharingan isn't eternal and yet he's spamming Kamui like Naruto KB. We could assume that their eyesight is getting worse since Kakashi kinda hinted it to Itachi back then. But we still can't know for sure. My guess is that Kamui is one of the MS techniques that is doing the least damage to the body/eyesight, thus making its use prolonged like that.

[Uchiha_Blood]

That's actually the thing I've always wondered. Obito's Mangekyou Sharingan isn't eternal and yet he's spamming Kamui like Naruto KB. We could assume that their eyesight is getting worse since Kakashi kinda hinted it to Itachi back then. But we still can't know for sure. My guess is that Kamui is one of the MS techniques that is doing the least damage to the body/eyesight, thus making its use prolonged like that.

Blindness was introduced for two reasons:
-nerf Itachi and the Mangekyo in general ( theorically, since no MS user ever lost because of it )
-make Sasuke look less like a sick bastard in taking his dead brother's eyes ( one thing is to take them to impede blindness, another is to take them only because of greed )

Now that both of the above aren't needed, MS blindness simply isn't necessary as a plot device.

Even though I can see Kishi saying, at the end of the series, how Kakashi's Sharingan won't function anymore due to stress and overusage

[hatsuharupeace]

That's actually the thing I've always wondered. Obito's Mangekyou Sharingan isn't eternal and yet he's spamming Kamui like Naruto KB. We could assume that their eyesight is getting worse since Kakashi kinda hinted it to Itachi back then. But we still can't know for sure. My guess is that Kamui is one of the MS techniques that is doing the least damage to the body/eyesight, thus making its use prolonged like that.

Or because it's only one eye, the side-effects are less severe. Or more severe, depending on the way you want to see (PUN) it. Also, it could be due to the fact that Kamui only transports physical objects across dimensions, whilst the other techniques require the creation of a physical entity through chakra, which always require a lot, or the manifestation of a genjutsu world, and the sensations within it.

[toussaintac]

I think he wont suggest the cage straight away instead he will suggest how he was sealed in Mito and Kushina and if Jyuubi behaved then he ll get a cage for him

Would that work? If Madara was sealed inside of Naruto, could Naruto use him as a source of power? That'd be interesting to see.

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Uhm,there is a mistake,though: kakashi might have been restored by kurama,but that shouldn't mean he can spam kamui again,as his seesight should be getting worse and worse.no matter if his chakra is ok,his ms isn't...

Maybe. Maybe not. maybe bijuu chakra is sort of like Hashirama chakra.

[Krik]

ok so just to get this straight...Kiba, Hinata, neji, rock lee, sakura, sasuke , kakashi, gai, bee, Tsunade, Gaara-- one of them should die? as they are the closest to naruto

and really naruto already lost his teacher so i think he gets the pain thing....hell if anyone dies i want it to be naruto...just because it would be something i never say coming, imagine naruto dies to save the world and its only after his death that he is givin the honorary tittle of "hokage" or "kage" of the ninja world

And think of the middle finger directed toward us all if Naruto dies saving Sasuke.

[toussaintac]

We all know Kakashi and Obito will somehow come across a new way to obtain EMS. No need to worry, guys.

[Roman]

Or because it's only one eye, the side-effects are less severe. Or more severe, depending on the way you want to see (PUN) it. Also, it could be due to the fact that Kamui only transports physical objects across dimensions, whilst the other techniques require the creation of a physical entity through chakra, which always require a lot, or the manifestation of a genjutsu world, and the sensations within it.

But if that were true, wouldn't you think that Kamui's power would also be cut in half? Though, Kakashi's version was a lot weaker than Obito's to begin with, until the latest chapter.

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Blindness was introduced for two reasons:
-nerf Itachi and the Mangekyo in general ( theorically, since no MS user ever lost because of it )
-make Sasuke look less like a sick bastard in taking his dead brother's eyes ( one thing is to take them to impede blindness, another is to take them only because of greed )

Now that both of the above aren't needed, MS blindness simply isn't necessary as a plot device.

Even though I can see Kishi saying, at the end of the series, how Kakashi's Sharingan won't function anymore due to stress and overusage

That may be true, but for detailed readers such as ourselves, it's inevitable to spot this anomaly. By Kishi's theory, it should've already been impossible for either Kakashi or Obito to use Kamui any further without any severe side-effects.