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It is bad writing because Kishi is the person that establishes the details of the plot, characters, and setting. Kishi is the one that created the rules and logical structures of how "things" worked in the fictional world of Naruto. And then he is the one that turns around and ignores what he's said, violates his own rules, has his characters do things that make no sense, and takes a big long steaming dump on his own story continuity and characterization.Quote:
If I create a world where a character has the ability to turn other characters into butter when he touches them, then I - as a writer - MUST craft my plot in such a way as to accommodate that decision. If my character can turn people in to butter by touch, and then DOESN'T use that power to defend himself at a critical moment, then I bloody well better (as the writer) provide some sort of explanation or reason for it. If I don't, then it creates cognitive dissonance in the mind of the reader, pulls them out of the experience, and generally results in an inferior story.
Yes - every once in a while a writer can (and maybe should) violate their own logic for the sake of the story - but you have to be very careful when you do it - and you shouldn't do it very often. But Kishi isn't doing that. He's breaking his own rules all the time now, and his characters are constantly doing things that make little or no sense. Every chapter is showing 100 new things that violate his own story premise or contradict his own plot/character decisions. THAT is lousy writing.
So we're supposed to believe that Obito can put anyone he wants in a genjutsu simply by touching them & sucking him into his dimension. Then WHY didn't he do that to Naruto & Kakashi? Exact same circumstances. Completely different result. This is LOUSY WRITING.Quote:
Last edited by Invader; November 15, 2012 at 06:00 PM.
No - he really didn't, and no it really wasn't. Obito soloed Fuu/Torune. Fine. Doesn't explain in any way why they didn't clobber him the 6 or 7 different times he phased after he absorbed them like Kakashi just did. You either have to assume Fuu/Torune...Quote:
(A) were so stupid they wouldn't attack their enemy when they saw his body parts dangling like ripe fruit in front of them...
(B) were instantly genjutsued by Obito who has never used that power on anyone else before or since (when Torune was facing the opposite direction to boot!)...
(C) were dumped in a 'safe' area of the dimension so Obito could ignore them - again begging the question WHY has Obito never done this with anyone else before or since...
Neither answered NOR making sense.
That means that Naruto not using Rasengan instead of chakrarms now is bad writing, because Rasengan does more damage.
No, it doesn't work like this.
Obito used its strongest jutsu, a Space/Time ninjutsu which was admittedly superior to Hiraishin to fight, and got beaten.
Simple as that. It isn't bad writing imo
If the issue is Fu and Torune, as it seems, I'll answer below
No, of course not.Quote:
You forgot though that Obito didn't use Kamui after that little struggle, except when he teleported out of Danzou's Fuuinjutsu. And then he could easily reapper in his Kamui dimension at will and genjutsu'd/beat up those fodders.
Or simply let them out, genjutsu'd/beat them up, and suck them in again afterwards.
Obito's use of Kamui against Yondaime is simple:
buy time for Kyuubi to wreck chaos on Konoha, until his control was up and he could capture the beast, or simply teleport him on a very distant location, seeing as Hiraishin has a predetermined range.
Against those fodders he used the quickest method to take them out, or what, should've used Mokuton on those 2 for no reason, informing Danzou that he had Mokuton as well?
And say Sasuke failed and Danzou had Kotoamatsukami, all Obito would have to do would be run like a bitch and let Danzou escape with that vital information
That said, Tobi showing ability to use Mokuton is stupid. Would have preferred going with Tobi going all out as he could at that time (not using kaaton to hide his face) and got bested, though running away only because he lost control of the Kyuubi. The only thing I can think of that makes sense is that Tobi didn't want to or try to kill Minato.
In the end though, Minato still survived against Tobi and made him retreat, even if it wasn't because Minato beat Tobi. So far, no other character has managed to do that.
And honestly, your arguments doesn't make any sense at all. You're already accussing kishi for a bad writing just because you don't like how he explained obito's character.
Just remember, this manga is still in progress. You can see a new jutsu of naruto that he never used in kakuzu, pain, deidara and obito. And when the time comes, you'll see an amazing jutsu of minato that he never used on obito. That's not a bad writing nor a plothole, that's the basic sense of a story.
And does obito need his mokuton to deal with fuu and torune? He never fought them at all. He's just playing with them.
And maybe all of the anbus are all freaking morons because their mask doesn't have any holes on it.
Depends. If Mokuton attack is too close, I'm not sure if Minato could counter. If he saw it coming, he would definitely be able to counter. If Tobi used Mokuton ten feet away for the first time, it's not going to work on Minato. If he used it like, an inch away, Minato wouldn't be able to counter that.
Mokuton would have been useful, or more useful than just for defense (I'm assuming that's the only reason Tobi tanked rasengan like nothing) against Minato. So far, all we can say is that Tobi held back every time after Madara saved him. He could have used kaaton, but didn't because he didn't want to reveal his identity. He could have used Mokuton but for some reason didn't. He could have used other jutsu like that Uchiha barrier jutsu to protect himself but chose not to for some reason.
wow if obito get the other eyes. he will be a hard guy to fight if you think about it. not only you cant hit him and everything you send him, he will transport it to another dimension and he will have the susanoo to make things more hard
I thought the chapter was average. Obito is turning out to be a joke. A few chapters ago, Naruto was getting save every other chapter, now Naruto is out of his league.
Madara sits back and watch like Obito get beat without a care in the world..
I hope this was a transition chapter so they can switch back to Sasuke.
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There are some ways that it could work, and though I doubt you'll accept any of them as realistic options, I'll give the example I like the most.Originally Posted by Invader
Remember, whenever the kunai, the Rasengan that hit Obito, the clone that broke his mask, and Kakashi when he just recently punched him in the stomach and face? What do all of these instances have in common?
When Obito absorbed someone or went intangible, he always stayed in the exact same area. And if you consider Kamuiville as the different side of the same coin, then it means after transporting something from Point A on side one, it appears at Point A on side 2.
A B C D
a b c d
Top is normal world, bottom is inside Kamui. If he absorbs Torune at A, and then uses the intangibility, but only after moving someways away to say... c, then the part that goes intangible will be far enough that Torune can't hit him.
There's also one outrageously obvious reason that's more likely: You're blowing things waaaaay outta proportion. Obito only transports a portion of his body away when using his intangibility, unless an attack is so big it covers his entire body. Niether Fuu nor Torune had a chance to injure Obito during the fight prior to Danzou vs. Sasuke. You know how long It was before Sasuke was done with his fight? Obito didn't use his teleportation again till far later (after the fight). Both Fuu and Torune was probably running around screaming bloody murder in an attempt to escape so, by the time he returned to the alternate dimension, they were in no position to take advantage of the sense of surprise because they were so far away.
I wonder if the jyuubi will notice a resemblance of Naruto and the RS.