Naruto 609 Discussion

[Rikudou King]

Not really, considering everyone got revived in the end anyway. Jiraiya's death was before the invasion, which gave Naruto enough time to deal with the grief and shock.

Barring the end, it did a good job of showing Naruto the horrors of war and forcing him to face lost.

No - he really didn't, and no it really wasn't. Obito soloed Fuu/Torune. Fine. Doesn't explain in any way why they didn't clobber him the 6 or 7 different times he phased after he absorbed them like Kakashi just did. You either have to assume Fuu/Torune...

(A) were so stupid they wouldn't attack their enemy when they saw his body parts dangling like ripe fruit in front of them...
(B) were instantly genjutsued by Obito who has never used that power on anyone else before or since (when Torune was facing the opposite direction to boot!)...
(C) were dumped in a 'safe' area of the dimension so Obito could ignore them - again begging the question WHY has Obito never done this with anyone else before or since...

Neither answered NOR making sense.

Pretty sure already pointed out how: When Tobi absorbed Fuu, there was a scene change and the next time we saw him was in his dimension talking to Sasuke and Karin. So it's not farfetch to simply assume he genjutsu'd Fuu and Torune before going to talk with Sasuke. And as mentioned, the only time Obito has warped something close to him was the most recent incident. all the others that came close to him were done by Kakashi. Now considering Kakashi was exhausted as far as he knew and last time Kakashi was warped in he did nothing but sulk, Obito assuming nothing would happen this time is more of an example of his arrogance then a plothole.

[Prince Sasuke]

Yeah. And the kyubi himself doesn't seem worried if madara can summon the juubi or not. In fact, the kyubi is just waiting for the juubi to awaken before he'll get serious with his business with madara.

The kyubi even looked like he's bored with their fight with obito. He was there lying around like a cute little puppy waiting for madara to make his move.

Yea the kyuubi was so worried free that him and Bee tried to destroyed it before it was finish transforming. Kyuubi himself said he dont stand a chance.

[marshall313]

Yea the kyuubi was so worried free that him and Bee tried to destroyed it before it was finish transforming. Kyuubi himself said he dont stand a chance.

No. T'was naruto's bunshin. The original kyubi just had a joke to naruto while helping kakashi.

And no. He just said he had a chance. The juubi doesn't have the hachibi and kyubi. So it's weak compared to the past.

[Prince Sasuke]

No. T'was naruto's bunshin. The original kyubi just had a joke to naruto while helping kakashi.

And no. He just said he had a chance. The juubi doesn't have the hachibi and kyubi. So it's weak compared to the past.

Can you provide proof of anything you said?

How can you tell which one is the clone and which one is not.

When did the kyuubi said he has a chance against the juubi?

[Fox666]

And no. He just said he had a chance. The juubi doesn't have the hachibi and kyubi. So it's weak compared to the past.

That's not true, Tobi said that even if it's just a part, it has the same power. I guess you could compare it to having half of a gasoline tank, yet your car won't be slower.

[M3J]

When did the kyuubi said he has a chance against the juubi?

Kyuubi hinted that or said that the Juubi won't be as powerful because it only had minor chakra from Hachibi and Kyuubi. I think this was around when the pot with the Gin-Kin bros and Hachibi tentacle were thrown in the GEdo's mouth.

Though chances are, if given time, the chakra will be restored back to normal and Juubi will get Hachibi's full chakra as well as Kyuubi's, if not half of its chakra.

[Prince Sasuke]

That's doesn't mean he(kyuubi) has a chance at beating the juubi.

[M3J]

True, but Kyuubi feels that he and Hachibi might have a chance. Maybe we'll see some of Naruto's never-give-up personality in Kyuubi.

[marshall313]

That's not true, Tobi said that even if it's just a part, it has the same power. I guess you could compare it to having half of a gasoline tank, yet your car won't be slower.

Tobi admitted that the juubi is no doubt a weak compared to his ultimate form from the past. Itdoesnt have the full power of the kyubi and hachibi. I think tobi even stated that it doesn't matter if the juubi is weak or not, as long as he can cast his ultimate genjutsu, that's all that matter to him.

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Can you provide proof of anything you said?

How can you tell which one is the clone and which one is not.

When did the kyuubi said he has a chance against the juubi?

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v60/c594/16.html

Well, the kyubi did give kakashi some of his chakra, so that's the original kyubi and naruto.

[Virys]

No - he really didn't, and no it really wasn't. Obito soloed Fuu/Torune. Fine. Doesn't explain in any way why they didn't clobber him the 6 or 7 different times he phased after he absorbed them like Kakashi just did. You either have to assume Fuu/Torune...

(A) were so stupid they wouldn't attack their enemy when they saw his body parts dangling like ripe fruit in front of them...
(B) were instantly genjutsued by Obito who has never used that power on anyone else before or since (when Torune was facing the opposite direction to boot!)...
(C) were dumped in a 'safe' area of the dimension so Obito could ignore them - again begging the question WHY has Obito never done this with anyone else before or since...

Neither answered NOR making sense.

(B) - http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/520/8

[TearsOfScarlet]

That's only because Kishi decided to retcon Rinnegan away from him. Had Tobi used Rinnegan constantly, he'd have done so much better. He wouldn't have needed to phase thanks to Shinra Tensei and ability to absorb chakra. Hell, nothing would have stopped Tobi from using Bansho Tenin and absorbing everyone's chakra. It's just plot that's stopping him from owning everyone.

Pre-Rinnegan Tobi would probably lose against such combo though. Rinnegan Tobi in no way should lose at all.

Well this could be explained away by the fact that he is summoning the 10 tails.

[Nieuwsgierig]

That's only because Kishi decided to retcon Rinnegan away from him. Had Tobi used Rinnegan constantly, he'd have done so much better. He wouldn't have needed to phase thanks to Shinra Tensei and ability to absorb chakra. Hell, nothing would have stopped Tobi from using Bansho Tenin and absorbing everyone's chakra. It's just plot that's stopping him from owning everyone.

Pre-Rinnegan Tobi would probably lose against such combo though. Rinnegan Tobi in no way should lose at all.

Does he even know how to use the techniques? The Rinnegan isn't his, and he couldn't really ask Nagato how to use it.

[Uchiha_Blood]

That said, Tobi showing ability to use Mokuton is stupid. Would have preferred going with Tobi going all out as he could at that time (not using kaaton to hide his face) and got bested, though running away only because he lost control of the Kyuubi. The only thing I can think of that makes sense is that Tobi didn't want to or try to kill Minato.


In the end though, Minato still survived against Tobi and made him retreat, even if it wasn't because Minato beat Tobi. So far, no other character has managed to do that.

I still don't understand how people can say that Obito wasn't beaten with a straight face.
The guy was missing an arm, tagged with an Hiraishin tag ( meaning Yondaime could teleport at will to him ) and had the Kyuubi taken away from him, he had nothing to wound or even threaten Yondaime with, since Izanagi would work only on an eventual death, and it would destroy his Kamui eye.
Obito was beaten soundly that night, one can argue that he was a fool not taking the Kyuubi and leaving right away

Dude. Seriously. I use this EXACT argument everytime there's a Naruto fight in the arena threads, lol. You haven't noticed? From now on, I better see this same logic in future replies over there or I'm calling shenanigans.

lol I know, blame ( ) the manga for shoving it in our faces long enough.
And I did use this logic in the Gai vs Naruto topic

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v60/c594/16.html

Well, the kyubi did give kakashi some of his chakra, so that's the original kyubi and naruto.

While it is true, we saw the Juubi shrugging off that immense, combined Bijuudama.
I'm not really positive on their chances, considering they will be facing Madara and Obito as well

[Bloomerwedgies]

Can we just give Madara some Jim Morrison sunglasses,
and a black leather jacket,
because he is too cool for school and he knows it--
in fact if someone made that into an actual picture I think it would become my new favorite thing on the internet.

"Step aside, basics, let Madara show you how it is done"

[marshall313]

I still don't understand how people can say that Obito wasn't beaten with a straight face.
The guy was missing an arm, tagged with an Hiraishin tag ( meaning Yondaime could teleport at will to him ) and had the Kyuubi taken away from him, he had nothing to wound or even threaten Yondaime with, since Izanagi would work only on an eventual death, and it would destroy his Kamui eye.
Obito was beaten soundly that night, one can argue that he was a fool not taking the Kyuubi and leaving right away



lol I know, blame ( ) the manga for shoving it in our faces long enough.
And I did use this logic in the Gai vs Naruto topic



While it is true, we saw the Juubi shrugging off that immense, combined Bijuudama.
I'm not really positive on their chances, considering they will be facing Madara and Obito as well

The thing is, kakashi and gai can fight obito. In fact, obito right now isn't an issue to kakashi. And the kyubi can refuel kakashi and gai's chakra. Then hachibi/bee and naruto/kyubi will fight madara/juubi. And if kyubi is really serious on fighting the juubi, then we can see him fighting instead of naruto. And I think it's not yet a win for madara now that the juubi appeared. Because it's still a 50-50 if he can control it or not.