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You are wrong. That's not speculation. It's a recollection of what is stated in manga or some interviews from Kubo. There are actually some links for different cases. It's quite a credible info. The same way as One Piece wikia.
How come it was never mentioned that Isshin was using Gigai? Urahara even stated that he was sorry and he didn't want to be blamed if Isshin's power degraded. Thus it was obvious that if Urahara asked how Isshin felt to be in a Shinigami form again, then he was in Urahara's Gigai before...
About Gigai... Vaizards also were never mentioned to use Gigais, but they still seem to use them as every Shinigami in their Shinigami form seem to wear Shukahusho...
Well, it's obvious that during the reign of previous 29 Captain Commanders there was a diffirent military structure in SS.
in the words of isshin- he needs to tread on millenia as yet untouched.- the only way for ichigo to repair / reforge/ his zanpaktou is for him to enter his inner world and reconcile with zangetsu, -- This could be good, because his new zanpaktou, might indeed be forged not only with zangetsu, but also with the other energies from the other captiains. If this ends up happening, Ichigo would be immune from all the stolen bankais, as he is a part of those bankais, and from the dangai training and his new reforged state- He would accept that power and it would be unable to hurt him.
I am very excited by this possibilty, and hope the story takes that turn. Surely it is speculation, but it could happen.
it could very well mean that isshin used FGT and lost his powers...just like ichigo his power must have degraded when he got back his shinigami self...Quote:
vaizards souls were kind of reconstructed with help of hougyoku...when rukia used gigai she faced problems... vaizards literally died before urahara fixed them...their cases were totally different...Quote:
wiki people sometimes do cross the line of facts and go into realms of personal views...afterall its been made and edited by the people for the people...Quote:
but nope,isshin couldn't be a substitute shinigami,as even ukitake knew about ginjo being the only one. not to mention that they would have remembered about ichigo's surname,if isshin had already been a shinigami. and you are wrong,he didn't stop being shinigami when masaki died,especially as ichigo is just 15,and isshin stopped being a shinigami before his son was born.
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So what is the purpose of that wall then? From the chapter, it seems as if that wall is meant to protect the Royal Dimmension. If so, what is it doing in SS?....maybe i need to read again?
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No, nothing suggests that Isshin used Final Getsuga Tenshou. He knows how to use it, but he never stated that he performed it. The only thing we know that he abandoned his Shinigami existense, so he voluntearly quited being Shinigami, while, when use use FGT you don't have any option, you just loose your powers. Also Isshin himself states that his power hadn't dicreased in any way.Quote:
Their case isn't different in any way. Both Isshin and Vaizards were already dead, because they were souls, so no matter what to cooperate with normal humans and live in Human World they have to use Gigai.Quote:
Well, I won't argue with you on it, but I've never seen the same One Piece or Bleach wiki beinbg wrong about the facts presented in actual manga.Quote:
I have a theory that Royal Palace is somewhere above Seiretei... Especially since Zero Squad came from above with their transport.
It was actually stated in some inteview. Kubo said that Shunsui would have defeated Aizen with his Bankai, but it was Ichigo's work to take down Aizen.
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now that you mention it...it doesnt seem like he did stop being shinigami after masaki death...my mistake...thx for that... so it was 20 years back ...not coz his wife died...Quote:
explanation i can come up with is that isshin lost his powers 20 yrs back using FGT... when masaki was attacked he was normal and powerless and thus he regrets not saving her that night...
my point here is that isshin could not entirely belong to SS...he could be someone who got powers from somewhere else...i dont remember ukitake metioning that only ginjo and ichigo were substitue shinigamis...it was hitsugaya who said it...or maybe he was not a substitue shinigami but got his shinigami powers with help from someone...
like ichigo he was just a normal human who got shinigami powers and married a normal human who had quincy powers...this can also explain why his surname is not known in soul society... the whole not knowing kurosaki surname in soul society makes me think that he might not be directly related to SS...
the talk about isshins powers is jst a normal talk...like if someone asks ichigo if lately his powers has decreased he would politely say nah not much...
then what about rukia having problems with her gigai ? and other shinigamis who use gigai find their powers lowered...Quote:
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If so, then what if an archangel turns out to be a traitor, like Lucifer.
But anyway Im gonna guess Ichigo will learn to gather reishi like a Quincy, and this with his shinigami reiatsu will repair the sword and make it even more stronger.
In other words, he'll learn to regenerate his powers by drawing reishi, becoming more of a powerhouse.
Just a guess.
I am pretty sure that it has never been stated how many CC there have been though. I recall that a number was given during the fight against aizen however that turned out to be a mistranslation. I do agree in that the military force of SS simply used to have a different structure and leadership which would imply yamamoto simply started the squads as they are today.
So you said I was speculating, when I said Isshin was a Shinigami and a Shinigami Captain, while the fact that he is a pure Shinigami is quite obvious, but now you are clearly speculating about the fact that Isshin used FGT. I don't deny the fact that he learned it. But to learn and to use is a way different thing. No matter how you look at it.Quote:
And you are wrong about quiting being Shinigami as Isshin did, using Urahara's Gigai and Ichigo loosing his Shinigami powers using FGT. If you use FGT you loose Shinigami powers and you don't have options, it's not a voluntear act. Ichigo had to use it.
Also Ichigo has a human body, so if he looses his powers, he will go back to become a normal human, while Isshin is Shinigami, so by using FGT he would loose his powers and dissapear.
It's obvious that Isshin used Urahara's Gigai to live peaceful life to live with his wife and later his kids, that's why Urahara feared that he might blame him for possible decreasing of Isshin's power. But it's obvious that Isshin's power didn't decrease. It wasn't an act on Isshin's part. He prooved it in a fight against Aizen...
Her Gigai was a bit different. Also other Shinigamis apart from Rukia didn't have any problems, so I don't get your point.Quote:
Thanks. So my point still stands. That for Vaizards or Isshin is crucial to use Gigai in order to interact with normal people.
Last edited by Jorge D. Dragon; November 15, 2012 at 12:15 PM.
@dex, maybe he belonged to the royal guards,and that's why they don't know him very well. although the reason may be another one,because the fact SS didn't recognize ichigo as isshin's relative makes me wonder of his role. yet,the thought of naruto comes to my mind : he was minato's son,and had the 4th hokage's wife's surname,but noone noticed that... I'm terrified by the possibility that kubo trolls in the same way ...
I don't know if anyone raised this before (I haven't had the chance to read through all 27 pages of posts...) but I find it fascinating that the 5 Squad Zero members have a combined power greater than the whole Gotei 13 put together. What I would be interested in finding out is whether the Gotei 13 assumption included Yamamoto or it didn't, and if it also did include Ichigo as well.
As for the way SS ran before, and the fact that Ichigo's father was once a shinigami, would it be plausible to assume that he was once one of the "generals" alongside Yamamoto and those 5 seen in the last page of the current chapter, and that his captain's badge came from working in the Gotei and helping to establish it?
Some food for thought.
Hikifune got promoted to Squad 0. That means, there was vacancy, right? But there wasn't any major incident, that would make a RG die. Isshin, anyone?
About their strength. I think we'll get some SS vs RG friendly fight, something like a spar between Shunsui and that beatiful woman (he LOVES women, doesn't he? If she is Hikifune and they know each other...) to get comparison.