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    WSJ Pirate Does anyone else realize that Naruto is the greatest genjutsu master?

    Everybody (including Naruto) assume that he can't do genjutsu. What I find hilarious is that he is the master of genjutsu, just not the traditional kind.

    What the show should realize is that there are 2 types of genjutsu...the type that Kurenai uses and the kind that Naruto uses.

    1: Kurenai uses normal genjutsu, which is the kind that uses a lot of chakra to cause the victim to see what the caster wants them to see eg: Kurenai seeming to slowly disappear in front of Kisame.

    2: Naruto uses natural genjutsu, mostly using Kage Bunshin, to show the opponent what they expect to see eg: everybody (except Hinata, but especially Neji) expected Naruto to be weaker and to lose to Neji, yet not once, but twice, Naruto fooled everyone in the stadium into believing Neji had won, first with Neji hitting the tenketsu on the clone he thought had to be Naruto because it was holding back and Neji assumed that's what Naruto would do, and second, when Naruto left a Kage Bunshin in the crater in the ground and Neji again assumed he had won (before Naruto surprised him by popping out of the ground and nailing him).

    So when you think of it, he's even better at genjutsu than Kurenai...he even fooled Sandaime and Orochimaru!

    What do you think?
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    Re: Does anyone else realize that Naruto is the greatest genjutsu master?

    Ummm, no. Not at all. Naruto is great at creating distractions and diversions and using mis-direction, which has nothing to do with genjutsu. Naruto will often use the cover of dust or smoke, or simple sensory overload having to account for all his clones to hide himself or other clones for sneak and counter attacks.

    Genjutsu is a chakra based ability that alters the senses of a target and thus creates illusions used to fool them. Kage Bushin's are real, they aren't illusions.
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    Re: Does anyone else realize that Naruto is the greatest genjutsu master?

    Yeah, but genjutsu basically means showing someone what the caster wants them to see. Naruto did the same thing, except he showed Neji what he expected to see. You said it yourself: genjutsu is used to fool people. That's what Naruto did. The only differences are, he did it without resorting to the usual genjutsu techniques, and he showed Neji what he expected to see, instead of what normal genjutsu users want their target to see.

    Also, in a way, Kage Bunshin are illusions because even though they are solid, they are not the real Naruto. They are disposable copies. It's the illusion that they are the real Naruto.
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    Re: Does anyone else realize that Naruto is the greatest genjutsu master?

    It seems that you have difficulties to understand what Genjutsu means in this manga.

    Saying Genjutsu is used to fool people is simplistic, if you don't understand the context.
    Genjutsus are illusionary techniques. It is used to fool your enemy with illusions. The enemy is trapped in an illusionary world. Everything what he sees is not real, everything what happens doesn't occur in the real world.

    What you listed are all distractions and diversions done by Naruto with the aid of Ninjutsus, like Delbi already explained.

    While a Kage Bunshin is not the real Naruto, the Jutsu itself is real. The Kage Bunshin exists in the real world, where everyone can see it. Because of that it is a Ninjutsu.

    Naruto fools his enemies with Ninjutsu. When he uses Kage Bunshin, everyone can see it.

    Itachi is someone who fools his enemies with Genjutsu. You can see Naruto being trapped in a Genjutsu here. The appearance of Gaaras eye in Narutos hand is an illusion, just like Kakashi popping out of Narutos shoulder. Naruto was trapped in an illusionary world, his mind was "playing games" with him. In the real world Naruto was a sitting duck, as you can see here. Sakura, Chiyo and Kakashi didn't see anything what Naruto saw. They just realized that Naruto was trapped in a Genjutsu, because he was doing nothing (in the real world).

    Fooling your enemy is not a Genjutsu. Trapping your enemy in an illusionary world is a Genjutsu.

    So no, Naruto is not the greatest Genjutsu master. He can call himself very lucky, being able to fight Genjutsus without any actual skill. Other than that he sucks in that department.
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    Re: Does anyone else realize that Naruto is the greatest genjutsu master?

    You know, you're actually not that far off. I remember it being explained (don't remember whether this was true or not) that the reason Lee actually has a Genjutsu stat despite not being able to focus chakra for jutsu, is because he moves so fast his afterimages can literally be considered illusions.

    That said... it's important to point out that this isn't really the same as being awesome at genjutsu in the literal sense. Just split them into two categories: Genjutsu (capital G) in the Naruto manga sense ala Tsukuyomi and Frog Song, and Genjutsu in the general, non Naruto sense (real ninja techniques of deciept).

    But yeah, Naruto isn't the best at either.

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    Re: Does anyone else realize that Naruto is the greatest genjutsu master?

    it is more a strategy to me than genjutsu type..
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    Re: Does anyone else realize that Naruto is the greatest genjutsu master?

    genjutsu being used to fool people doesnt mean whenever you fool someone its called genjutsu

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    Re: Does anyone else realize that Naruto is the greatest genjutsu master?

    Naruto's ultimate genjutsu is his talk-no-jutsu.

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    Re: Does anyone else realize that Naruto is the greatest genjutsu master?

    This is not genjutsu.
    Naruto's worst weakness is genjutsu.


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    Re: Does anyone else realize that Naruto is the greatest genjutsu master?

    Ironic part is... that for someone that sucks so much at casting genjutsu, he can't be put under one himself(In theory).

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    Re: Does anyone else realize that Naruto is the greatest genjutsu master?

    In terms of using jutsu for deception, I'd agree that Naruto does well - without directly altering the senses. Its perhaps better because ninja who expect deception might be more prepared for genjutsu based attacks.

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    Re: Does anyone else realize that Naruto is the greatest genjutsu master?

    No one can brainwash like Naruto and his talk no jutsu.
    So yes, Naruto is the best genjutsu user in the manga, since he can do better than others without using jutsus
    Koto Amatsukami has nothing on Naruto's TnJ.

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    Re: Does anyone else realize that Naruto is the greatest genjutsu master?

    Deception isn't the same as Illusions... you can use Illusions for deceptions too, but that still doesn't make it the same thing.
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    Re: Does anyone else realize that Naruto is the greatest genjutsu master?

    Quote Originally Posted by Uchiha_Blood View Post
    No one can brainwash like Naruto and his talk no jutsu.
    So yes, Naruto is the best genjutsu user in the manga, since he can do better than others without using jutsus
    Koto Amatsukami has nothing on Naruto's TnJ.
    No, Koto Amatsukami is still better because Sasuke has shown the ability to resist TnJ on several occasions, sometimes without even using his Sharingan.

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