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Translations: Gintama 506 (2)
crocodile was willing to kill innocent...and do you think whitebeard never destroyed innocent people's dreams ? that character had a "messiah complex"...he defeated ace and then ask him to become his son...in the end he wanted to be the big boss...
what your whole perpective is that whosoever helps luffy is good and who does not is evil...that is just one viewpoint...
blackbeard killed his nakama on whitebeard ship still he has a faithful crew ( his beginning members before impel down) ...their crew chemistry was like luffy one...
my point was just that maybe after BB looses he can be friends with luffy...coz that guy never had anything personal against him or ace... even though he captured ace still lufffy was able to save him...yet in the end he died coz he protected his younger brother...ace had a chance to run and would not have died if he had ignored akainu's taunts...so my question is that can we still blame BB for his death ? i think no...
Wasn't Ace the one who challenged Whitebeard? Whitebeard may have had a messiah complex, but he still took in pirates and cared for them like his own family, and he even got along with Roger and helped protect many islands by using power of his name.
My perspective is that how the character acts define how they are. Bon Clay wasn't evil because he was working on the orders of his boss, and he even got along with his enemies (unknowingly at the time). He even saved Luffy and made sure he could save Ace. Law could still very well be evil because he could have saved Luffy to make Luffy owe him a debt, which would help Law take down some enemies of his and use their power for himself, like Smiles.
I don't necessarily consider Akainu evil despite what he did because his actions are result of trying to get rid of bad people to make the world safer. Same with Smoker, no matter what they do or try to do to SHP. If any one of Blackbeard's nakama was weak, do you think Blackbeard would keep him, let him go, or kill him? Luffy would still want to keep his nakama, while Akainu would let him go. Blackbeard could possibly kill him, while Crocodile definitely would.
We can because like I said, Blackbeard is the reason Ace ended up in prison. He brought about Ace's death indirectly. Had Blackbeard not captured Ace and sent him to the Marine, Ace would not have been in prison. Plus, we saw how pissed off Luffy was. Unless Blackbeard can help Luffy in some way, I can only see him as one of Luffy's greatest enemies, especially due to power he wields.
same thing...so we cannot define good or bad..can we ? a person's actions can be reason of many things...these are human intincts which drive them...like bon clay was driven by friendship...Law maybe political...so is every other being which is driven by human emotions and instincts...so how can you say that a guy who wants power is bad ? Bon clay friendship for luffy was good for luffy...but in the end he helped escape a criminal and to save another criminal (this was bad in view of magellan and hannyabal who were honest people trying to keep criminals from escaping)...its all perspective...if magellan was the hero of one piece then we would have said luffy and bon clay are evil beings...the only reason we like bon clay is coz he helped the main character which we all support (coz he is the main character)Quote:
if you say akainu is not evil then definitely BB is not evil...they both are driven by their instincts to the extremes...one for world justice (in the name of which he killed innocent people of ohara...ones who were not archealogist...during war he killed soldiers who were afraid to fight) and Blackbeard for reaching the top ...even Luffy is driven by his ambition of becoming pirate king to the extreme ...his nakama support him and that is why they go along well...anyone in his way is beaten mercilessly...Quote:
as for BB nakama ...the first 5 of their crew were really loyal to him just like luffy crew...they were also not that strong like the later 5 members he got from impel down...Blackbeard (initial crew) and luffy crew both held respect and hardcore loyalty for their captains...
BB brough ace to death indeirectly...but then luffy saved him...so what BB did went in vain...but then akainu killed him coz Ace didn't run away and got cocky coz of his logia ability...for BB catching Ace was not personal...neither him trying to catch luffy was personal...if there would have been any other pirate of that bounty BB would have handed him to world government...Quote:
you see him as bad guy coz he has been portrayed as one...even croc was portrayed as bad guy...but he saved luffy...that was my whole point...people change after they are broken or defeated by some other stronger individual...he even said to luffy in impel down "i told you sky island exist" then he said "yes i wont say saving ace is a waste...nothing is impossible"... he had definitely nothing personal against luffy...
The greatest enemy is the one 1.) whose ideology is the complete opposite of Luffy and 2.) will be the hardest to beat, namely the World Government.
honestly i think marshall D teach is the greatest villian so far
the guy is PURE evil, but when you think about it, he is the epitomy of what you expect from a pirate, he is a scoundrel, sloppy , cuthroat, always has some rum and loves adventure and treasure as much as anyone else, and is willing to stab someone in the back in the blink of an eye, he is not noble like whitebeard, roger or luffy
The overarching enemy has and always will be the Marines(for obvious reasons). It seems that BB has turned into a superpower among superpowers after stealing WB's powers. And he and his crew seems to be the "Endgame Boss" for the StrawHats.
And as always, I'm sure the forces of nature and physics will try there very best to stop Luffy and his friends lol
Blackbeard is an amazing character. He has tons of character development that is only going to get better once his backstory is introduced. He has a great design, and his abilities are completely awesome. He's also set up to be the anti-Luffy which draws a nice parallel between the two of them and sets them up as great final opponents for the title of Pirate King.
I think, Oda hasn't revealed the major villain of One Piece yet. All the ones listed so far, will play important roles for sure. Doflamingo for example, it's been established where he stands and that will be settled this year. Blackbeard and Akainu will have similar agendas.
I think Blackbeard will be the last enemy before Luffy becomes the Pirate King. I also think that Luffy still needs a reason to truly hate Blackbeard, and this reason will be Shanks, who would definately want to hinder BB becoming PK at some point. Afterwards will be the big revolution, and the final enemy will be the World Government. I think Akainu will be saved as Luffy's last fight.
Personally, before I accept Blackbeard as the ultimate villain of the story, he would need a new makeover...starting with his teeth. Honestly, he looks like a total goof ball. I'd prefer an ultimate villain that looks more menacing and also has good physical ability which Blackbeard's appearance promises very little hope of.
So I would much rather have Akainu as a final villain, which I think is even more likely considering the World Government are increasingly being presented as the true evil. Blackbeard is just another rival pirate in the worlds biggest treasure hunt and is likely to only be the final obstacle before reaching One Piece. The World Government, however, are currently the greatest and most powerful organization and are the very centre of the story's greatest mystery: What happened during the blank century. I think they're going to be the enemy after the truth about the blank century is discovered and Luffy rises and challenges them in a battle predicted by Whitebeard
Also about Roger, the guy is like Shanks, minds his own business, once you talk shit about his Nakamas, be beats the crap out of you, wouldn't you do the same if someone insulted someone dear to you ? I'd beat the shit out of him personally. Also he beats the shit out of all those who wanted to fight him... Same way as Luffy
Evil motherfuckers are like Crocodile, Enel... But WB, Roger ?
I have little doubt that Blackbeard is one of the most powerful characters right now but that's probably thanks to his mastery of his devil fruits, not his speed or strength. I don't remember him performing any great physical feats in his fight against Ace or in the battle of Marineford. Everything he did was done in one position, give or take some inches. It's clear that physical prowess isn't one of his strong points and it seems to me that his collection of overpowered devil fruits is meant to compensate for that. An enemy like Whitebeard or Shanks is what I want for Luffy, someone with incredible power and haki which alone can split the skies. Someone like Blackbeard will be a good enemy for Luffy, but most likely not his last.
But Shanks himself said that Blackbeard was able to wound him when they fought, so who knows? Blackbeard is likely much stronger than what you think, especially considering he's been on Whitebeard's ship for a long time, and I think Ace said he should be captain of the division instead.
From what we've seen of Blackbeard, it's pretty clear that the fight against Shanks (if it was even was a full blown fight) probably wasn't recent. I'm not saying he ain't strong though, but just not a very interesting fighter. He kinda reminds me of Magellan and Shiki. Magellan's power allowed him to completely wipe out Blackbeard's crew but was still brought to his knees by a punch from a pre-time skip Luffy, and Shiki's was presumably able to give Garp and Sengoku a pretty hectic fight with his ability before losing but was still brought down by a pre-time skip Luffy. Point is your devil fruit can only get you so far. Whitebeard has already told Blackbeard about overestimating his ability and having a weak defense. Even Ace trumped him in terms of physical ability. In my opinion, an ideal final enemy for Luffy would be someone with strong haki and physical ability, someone like himself. That's one of the reasons that made the fight against Lucchi a top 5 fight. It wasn't a predictable fight where Luffy relentlessly tries to beat the hax ability, but instead a clash of real power.