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    Re: Bleach 517 Discussion / 518 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by chilibun View Post
    @kkck,

    Unohana says that what they are doing is NOT really healing him, and with a grim face too. Why can't souls be merged. A soul more or less is just a container for a consciousness, and we know a soul can house multiple consciousnesses. It's not inconceivable that all zapakto's are just a sub consciousness/soul shaing a single container.
    I thought that in that part, Unohana was not speaking, but being spoken to by her mentor. It seemed that he was telling her that she wasn't capable of healing Byakuya, Rukia and Renji completely, so he was, in essence, taking over and she should stop focusing on healing and (I assume) fight. I think Byakuya, Rukia and Renji will be healed and will have some (to be revealed) role in the rebuilt Gotei 13.

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    Re: Bleach 517 Discussion / 518 Predictions

    Unohana stopped fighting, wanted to heal others, maybe death of a loved one? She was a monster, but she decided she doesn't want to fight anymore. Yakuza one taught her what he knew about healing, she hates fighting. That would explain expression. Shunsui knows what's going on.

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    Re: Bleach 517 Discussion / 518 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by zelllogan View Post
    Maybe but they lack charisma.
    did you miss what the yakuza guy taught soi fong? when they want,they can be scary! the same happened to urahara when he was talking to akon. I bet the RG can overwhelm current gotei 13,although I thought that noone of them could keep up with yamamoto...

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    Re: Bleach 517 Discussion / 518 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Torran View Post
    Wasn't she a girl in TBtP? She must be a teenager now. And she has a point. These guys are all "We're going to rebuild this in now time!" when they could have helped stop the destruction in the first place. And all the other captains are starting to lose it towards these clowns, so I don't see the difference between asking them why instead of remaining obviously furious but silent.
    Quote Originally Posted by Torran View Post
    Asking a bunch of people who are supposedly the "elites" about why they speak so easily about acting once the battle is over has nothing to do with leadership, and neither does telling a messenger to shut up for bringing more bad news when the situation is bad enough, and the messenger was well aware that it was the worst possible moment to jump in. She's saying what literally everybody else was thinking.
    The poor messenger was only doing his job. Two things were pointed out to soifon in the past 3 chapters:
    1. She got scolded by Komamura and Kyoraku for acting out the way she did and they had every right to do so, i mean seriously dont kill the messenger. In a way she was acting selfish.
    2. She got totally schooled by weird hair dude and for good reason. I stated last week what exactly I think the stance of the zero division is only to have it confirmed this week by both a zero division member and the kyoraku. It is the G13's job to protect soul society not the zero squads, their job is to protect the soul king, in a way like two separate organizations. The fact that they're offering to help seireitei means that they are following the kings orders as stated in this chapter. They may have a common interest in protecting the king (the gotei 13 to an extent) but soul society is not the 0 squads obligation. Soi fon was out of line on this one too, i wasnt surprised that he(weird hair) was so angry. If you look at the panel after soifons initial outburst both shinji and ukitake are surprised so im assuming that it is not normal soifon behavior still.

    I still find it funny how weird hair is foaming at the mouth, after getting hit by the monk looking guy, on page 14 and hikifune was hungry and went to get food at the beginning of the chapter. Really like all the new characters so far their first appearance (last chapter)was a little disappointing but seeing their personalities this chapter I completely changed my mind and love the character designs, they're all eccentric.

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    Re: Bleach 517 Discussion / 518 Predictions

    Hi first post here!!!
    The sheer amount of badassery in this chapter finally make me enroll.

    http://www.mangareader.net/bleach/517/11

    He took me a little time to realize but aren't the lower shade the seretei with the execution place in the middle ?
    So the above must "the palace", no ?
    Last edited by atavus; November 20, 2012 at 02:10 PM.

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    Re: Bleach 517 Discussion / 518 Predictions

    Am I seriously the only one who noticed that dude with the glasses had a down vest on instead of a haori? I mean, where the hell did he find it!?

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    Re: Bleach 517 Discussion / 518 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by Torran View Post
    Asking a bunch of people who are supposedly the "elites" about why they speak so easily about acting once the battle is over has nothing to do with leadership, and neither does telling a messenger to shut up for bringing more bad news when the situation is bad enough, and the messenger was well aware that it was the worst possible moment to jump in. She's saying what literally everybody else was thinking.
    Her feelings are certainly understandable, but as a Captain, a role of huge responsibility and respect, she's supposed to exhibit more self control in a time such as this. Kensei, Komamura and Shunsui all told her as much when the messenger came around. I'm not saying she's being unreasonable, just that more is expected of authority figures like the Captains. But Hairdo was right, really - Seireitei is technically the Gotei 13's responsibility, not the Royal Guards, and that's all there is to it. Maybe the Royal Guard should have been deployed sooner, but from a purely professional standpoint, they're within their rights.

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    Re: Bleach 517 Discussion / 518 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by God View Post
    He was caught off . There's a panel where he's staring where Krige was, not where he was at. He sensed him behind him, but ichi was still off put. You've in a way proven my point. My point was despite the technique and despite whose speed it is, She NEVER asked How COULD they have moved from point A to point B, because she was familiar with the technique. (It could be bad translation) In this case, She asked HOW COULD, as if it were impossible to do so. . I'm familiar with which race uses which technique. That's besides the point. While Shiniami , they are, they are of an entirely different class of power, technique, and obviously, authority. Two captains , within this chapter, have already been inquired about their technique/or specialty( Unohana's healing). Techniques which, in accordance with the dialogue, they seem to lack. With all of this in mind, it should be easy to conclude that their techniques and obvious experience yield much greater forms than what we have seen.
    Here's the page about Ichigo, he was calmly drawing his sword, and see how he was surprised not by their speed, but the technique they used

    Soi Fong how could he do it because she's known as one of the fastest Shinigamis in Gotei 13, she's a speed specialist, she wasn't expecting anything like this. It is simply a faster Shunpo, so fast that Shunshin title wannabe couldn't follow

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    Re: Bleach 517 Discussion / 518 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by mattiaildivino View Post
    did you miss what the yakuza guy taught soi fong? when they want,they can be scary! the same happened to urahara when he was talking to akon. I bet the RG can overwhelm current gotei 13,although I thought that noone of them could keep up with yamamoto...
    I'm talking about charisma, you're talking about strength ...

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    Re: Bleach 517 Discussion / 518 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by eefrit View Post
    Am I seriously the only one who noticed that dude with the glasses had a down vest on instead of a haori? I mean, where the hell did he find it!?
    That dude is also gone, we just saw him stepping down with the rest of the Zero Division and then he isn't shown to be with them for the rest of the chapter. By the looks of it Shutara apparently had no problems using Shunpo or some form of speed to collect the injured from Seretei and bring them back. So the wacky looking dude may have been given his own mission, possibly to go around and asses different situations around Seretie or something. It was also interesting to see that Shutara A. Knows Mayuri and B. Had been in his lab before, this means that within the past 100+ years the Royal Guard have come down to Seretei. Also i guess its now official, rough age calculations cannot be made based off of appearances alone. The healing dude seems to have been Unohaha's teacher of sorts, yet he looks to be in the same age range as the Senior Captains.

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    Re: Bleach 517 Discussion / 518 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by atavus View Post
    Hi first post here!!!
    The sheer amount of badassery in this chapter finally make me enroll.

    http://www.mangareader.net/bleach/517/11

    He took me a little time to realize but aren't the lower shade the seretei with the execution place in the middle ?
    So the above must "the palace", no ?
    Hey, and welcome~!

    Thanks for the find, I totally didn't realize that, I thought it's a garganta or something else that doesn't make sense


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    Re: Bleach 517 Discussion / 518 Predictions

    Don Kanonji is the king, called it.

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    Re: Bleach 517 Discussion / 518 Predictions

    Quote Originally Posted by zerocooldx View Post
    That dude is also gone, we just saw him stepping down with the rest of the Zero Division and then he isn't shown to be with them for the rest of the chapter. By the looks of it Shutara apparently had no problems using Shunpo or some form of speed to collect the injured from Seretei and bring them back. So the wacky looking dude may have been given his own mission, possibly to go around and asses different situations around Seretie or something. It was also interesting to see that Shutara A. Knows Mayuri and B. Had been in his lab before, this means that within the past 100+ years the Royal Guard have come down to Seretei. Also i guess its now official, rough age calculations cannot be made based off of appearances alone. The healing dude seems to have been Unohaha's teacher of sorts, yet he looks to be in the same age range as the Senior Captains.
    That is actually a good point. I noticed that he didn't particularly do anything this chapter however not that he was actually gone. Which leaves the most important question, what in the world could he possibly be doing? I wonder if he is the one actually in charge of fixing sereitei. Since the royals were sent to fix the squads then odds are one of them has to asses the complete damage that was done. In all likelyhood we will see next chapter what he was going.

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    Re: Bleach 517 Discussion / 518 Predictions

    I totally understand why the captains were pissed at the Zero Division. Soul Society was getting owned, and they didn't help. Where do they think the SR are coming next? It was stupid of them not to help when the SR were split up all over Soul Society. They could've ganged up on them one at a time, in a surprise attack.

    I think they didn't help out of pride. As if it would be shameful for them to help. But that's just foolish. Like with Yama not healing his arm. I really hope Juha Bach makes Zero Division pay dearly for their foolish pride.

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    About them taking Byakuya, Renji, Rukia, and Zangetsu... I think they are doing it to hold them hostage. They don't want Ichigo to join the Quincy.

    I predict they will imprison Ichigo once he gets to the palace.

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    Re: Bleach 517 Discussion / 518 Predictions

    Soifon is a new and unexperienced captain so her behavior isn't really surprising. Besides that it seems it was the first time she met with the squad zero.

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