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Like Uchiha_Blood said, Ino was actually the best female student. Sakura didn't cheat on the chuunin exam. But the whole idea of the test was for you to cheat! To use your ninja abilities to get the answers.
Sakura cannot be the "Smart Guy" among Naruto's generation because that role is Shikamaru's. So she has to stand out in other ways. Which she did during the Sasori fight. And then entered a black hole as a character after that.
I have no problem giving Sakura props for anything. She deserves it. No Naruto character, gets bashed as much as her for no reason. And I can't think of a more neglected "main character" in any manga. Her two teammates can probably destroy the moon now and she can smash a few rocks and heal people. Even Kakashi is getting his due now. But not Sakura.
Last edited by Jessie; November 16, 2012 at 12:19 PM.
You're being incredibly generous. Outrageously generous. Kakashi would molest Tsunade if they fought seriously. And Konan is a weakling. And Tsunade surviving Madara's attack has absolutely nothing to do with strength. Tsunade survived being cut in half because she can regenerate, not because she's a badass. If she were she wouldn't have been cut in half in the first place. And you want 5 ninja that can do the same thing she did?Originally Posted by number12michael
Any Uchiha that knows Izanagi
Healing ability alone isn't enough to consider someone strong. And pure physical strength the likes of which Tsunade posesses means nothing when you can't touch your opponent. As of now, the only people she's succesfully beaten up was Madara, who allowed her to hit him... and Orochimaru, who couldn't use ninjutsu. She also beat up Kabuto, but he was a damn kid.
All of this is off topic so I'll drop it. But I feel like it's made my point about how we can't really clown Sakura for being lackluster when every other ninja without dangly parts is lackluster aswell. Even the outstanding ones.
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Originally Posted by Jessie
To be precise, Shikamaru was always the smartest, but Sasuke always had the highest test score of any of the kids because Shikamaru was too lazy to take his tests seriously. Basically the same thing you said, but far be it from me to miss a chance to remind us all how much better than everyone Sasuke is.
But i admit you got me on the list of people totally forgot about Hidan :3 makes me miss his fowl mouth hahaha--wonder if we will ever see him
Madara said himself that Tsunades is physically stronger then the A, Now can you show me why konan is a weakling (the only reason she was disabled by Jiraya is because he is the one who taught her how to do paper techniques . she bested obito but failed on her part to know/learn of Izanagi so she ultimately died to obito :/......she to has the ability to turn her body into paper(like how suigetsu turns himself into water) so she cant die by normal means..,. could you also list me anyone you think could kill Tsunade in a 1v1 fight??? were are u getting the assumptions from Tsunade is known all around the world( i do understand what your saying about the differacne between great healing/medic abilitys and great battle abilitys ...but has Tsunade not show that she can ....if in every battle she used Byakugō then she would have the strength of 100 men and can not be killed ? how is that not strong?....its the same as naruto being strong because he has the Nine tails in him(u wanna bet that if the nine tails is ever removed naruto will live like his mom did....but he will be 1000X weaker then he is now)
I'm trying to figure out how it's possible that you can look down on Sakura but praise Konan. A person that spent years studying their opponent, had a crap ton of prep time, and still, in the end failed to do anything of significance.
People can crap all over Sakura for all the crap that has been thrown her way by the author. However, Why diminish what she did against Sasori in favor of Praising a character that ultimately amounted to a tool to inform the audience of another character abilities?
I should've been more specific: She beat a kid after said kid kicked her around because she was crying over seeing blood (a healer who can't look at blood? That's like a pacifist hitman: useless.
Konan wasn't disabled because Jiraiya knew her abilities. Anyone that looks at her using paper wings immediately knows what her ability is, lmao. He spit oil on her, and that was game over. That was IT. The only thing she ever did that was impressive took her YEARS to accomplish: figuring out how Obito uses Kamui, and then preparing 10 minutes worth of bombs.
As for characters that can kill Tsunade in a 1 on 1 fight? I'll stick to just living ninja or else the list would get too big:
Orochimaru (with access to jutsu)
I give her the win over Mei because while Mei has versatility, Tsunade has far greater destructive power and can regenerate. She can pretty much walk right through Mei's lava and acid and punch her head off.
There is no respect in that
Let's not forget Sakura soloed Sai, Lee and Kiba with a sleep bomb thingy
Honestly... and I have nothing against Kabuto but, I would've taken out everything he's done in Part 2 and given all of that screen time to Sakura. Showing her train... showing her with her own fights (maybe let her kick someone's ass for talking down on Sasuke. See her defeat or fight on the same level as Darui... make her a Genjutsu type with poison, healing, AND incredible strength along with slug summons... she'd be a beast.
Kabuto could just show up later and use all his snake sage stuff in a fight against her. And then she'd smash him. That would've been cool. But whatevs.
@Uchiha_Blood: Sasuke was second to Ino? Seriously?
But yes, I agree that is something else under Sakura's belt. lol
Kakashi-iffy...guess he could just warp her head off
Raikage-yeah he is faster then her cant punch what you cant catch
Gaara-no no no no no pull your head from gaaras ass...Tsunade is fast i doubt rock lee is faster then she is so i am sure she can get around gaaras sand and punch his face off
Kabuto-Agreed Kabuto is in the top 5
Oonoki-debatable...but depends on his back and if Tsunade can dodge Dust Release
Orochimaru (with access to jutsu)-a true fight i would love to see....i give it to Oro he is also top 5
Obito-ummm i would say she would win....wats he going to do warp her she will snap his neck....and even if he gets her she can just get her slug to reverse summon her
Killerbee- debatable...if he dose not transform then i say Tsunade would win but tail beast mode and Tsunade is dead.
But i dont think you take into acount that those people would have to kill Tsunade hundreds if not thousands of times and it only takes 1 hit for them to die(with exeption of naruto , orochimaru and kabuto) and i noticed Madara was not on your list....he is alive
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being a actual puppet and a "puppet of information" as you put it , is really different....If it was onyl sakura and she was giving tons of info on Sasori and his puppets before hand you think she alone could have beat him?(and remember his 3rd kazekage puppet was a secreat no one knew about besides Akatsuki) so no i think Sakura was nothing more then a tool for Chiyo
But dont get me wrong sakura is one of the smartest ninjas i would say up there with Shikamaru(he excells in tactics and she in healing and medical ) the way she lured out the zetsuneji was sweet. she is a ok ninja but in battle she is shit....i think its dumb that most medics are weak....they should be the strongest so that way they can save everyone and not need those same people to protect the medic lol
I don't see how Sakura having a partner Diminishes what she did but Konan is awesome because she did something on her own that required a butt-load of prep time and years of study, but had zero impact on the story itself. In fact she loses points for not destroying the Rinnegan. She is the only Akatsuki member that hasn't accomplished anything.
I see Tsunade as the strongest current Kage (or second). I've never mentioned her name much in the forums but It's obvious that she is powerful & dangerous.
If Raikage tries any stupid move against her, he will die. It's that simple.
Say he tried what he did to Jugo(Punching a hole in him), All Tsunade has to do (while that fist is in her) from there is simply touch Raikage, essentially disabling his body function & from there punch his freaking light out.
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Basically I see all the sannins capable of kicking all the Kage's butt individually.
Sakura's actions in the Sasori fight indirectly saved Gaara's life. That's what I mean. Not only that but they ended up getting info on the spy which turned out to be Kabuto.
This is confirmed by Sasuke's page ( which, by the way, is impossibly long )Quote:
Really don't know where this leaves Sakura, since there is no entry about it in the databook.Quote:
Unless there were tests like "What is ninjutsu?" or "State the name of the Hokages" which would be pretty dumb imo