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Translations: Gintama 507 (2)
hey i am new to the forum and i actually joined so i could ask something.. sorry if its been post before its just i haven't seen it so far...
ok so we all know that during edo tensei one can resurrect the death.. so i just assume you can resurrect him to his original form.. like with madara being resurrected in its younger self.. ok, so here is the problem... we have seen itachi getting his eyes back, and madara getting bot his eyes back, even though one of the original eyes is in tobi, so they have been revived the way the originally were.... but what up with nagato?... if the rinnegan was actually madaras eyes... and madara did revive having his eyes... why the hell does nagato have madara's eyes??... he just revived from the death.. wasn't he supposed to revive with is original eyes.. you know.. his normal uzumaki eyes??
the most likely explanation is; Edo Tensei revives a person at the condition he was in just before his death, except the fatigues. as for the question regarding Nagato, well, that's good question. Plot purpose may be and more inconsistency.
but Madara was revived at younger age was a special case, thanks to Kabuto.
Last edited by darkprince0521; November 19, 2012 at 05:11 AM.
so if you have one pair of rinn eyes, implant them in one person, then kill him, then repeat this 100 times, then edo tensei these 100 people, you have your self small rinnegan imortal army. nice. this sounds like somethig you can find in Orochimarus basement
Regarding the Rin'negan, Itachi was revived with his eyes despite Sasuke having them in his sockets, meaning the same pair of eyes can exist in more than one person.
Nagato's Rin'negan was Madara's, but he had those eyes when he died, thus when he was revived he had them.
It also helps that probably Rin'negan syncronized with him, being in a compatible body and all
Sasuke is using Itachi's eyes, yet Itachi was revived with his own eyes. that means, a person would be revived in exact condition at the time of death. this seems even more logical when we consider Nagato, as he was revived with Rinnegan, a pair of eyes those didn't belong to him.
but, that's where the problem is. Nagato was revived at his most weakened state, what he became after reviving the whole Konoha. Then we see Itachi, who had eyes close enough to be blind, but his revived body didn't have this limitation. to summarize, Nagato had limitation in his revived body, Itachi didn't have any limitation in his revived body.
Zabuza's hands were rendered useless before his death, in his revived body that wasn't a problem. for Nagato, it was.
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But your right Zabuza should have not been able to use his arms
It seems that individuals reanimated by Edotensei will generally retain whatever constituted their "healthy, uninjured, living body" at the time of death.
Here are the rules, as near as I can figure.
1. Injuries sustained at or near the time of death which have not healed or formed scar tissue, including fatal injuries, will not be retained upon reanimation.
2. Injuries that have healed, including scar tissue or missing limbs and organs, will be retained upon reanimation, along with any resulting disabilities.
3. If an organ, limb, or other form of material was succesfully transplanted into the body, it will be retained upon reanimation.
4. Diseases and illnesses are either not retained upon reanimation, or simply have no effect on the reanimated body.
5. Clothing, piercings, etc. will be retained upon reincarnation, likely based on the individual's self-image at the time of death. These can be freely changed, altered, and/or removed after reanimation.
6. Injuries and alterations made to the individual's body post-mortem are of no consequnce.
7. Kabuto is able to create unique modifications to an individual's body after they've been reanimation, and may be able to summon an individual in a unique or special way that forgoes some of the previous rules.
Some examples to illustrate the rules:
- None of the reanimated shinobi retain the wounds that caused their deaths or any other injuries sustained at or near the time of death.
- Haku reanimated without the gaping wound in his chest and his clothing was whole and complete despite it having been torn.
- This even applies in cases of complete and total disintegration, as was the case with Deidara.
- Sasori's organic body likely died when he removed his heart and transplanted it into a puppet; as such he was reanimated into his original organic body.
- Yagura and the Third Raikage retained their distinctive scars.
- Nagato's legs were still scarred and functioned poorly, as in life.
- Hanzo retained his implanted poison gland.
- Kakuzu did not retain his excess hearts, which likely means that they technically remained seperate from his body.
- Itachi and Kimimaro were either disease-free or no longer suffered the negative effects of their illnesses.
- Nagato and Itachi reanimated with their dojutsu despite their eyes having been removed from their corpses after death.
- None of the reanimated shinobi showed signs of any sort of post-mortem injury or decay.
- Kabuto was able to reanimate Madara into his prime and even further enhanced his body by implanting it with implanted Senju cells.
So, theoretically, we can make some deductions about what might happen if Edotensei were used to reincarnate certain individuals.
- The Fourth Raikage would still be missing the arm he lost due to his fight with Sasuke, as the wound has already healed.
- Kakashi would still have his scar and the sharingan he got from Obito.
- Obito would likewise retain Madara's Rinnegan, which he got from Nagato, as well as the portions of his body transplanted from the synthetic Hashirama clone.
- Danzo would still have Shisui's arm and his Senju cells as well as the implanted Sharingan, though they may remain blind. He would likely regain Shisui's eye, which he crushed just before death, as the wound was still open and had not healed.
- Shisui would likely regain his lost eyes, as both wounds were still fresh and bleeding at the time of his conversation with Itachi.
Then why Nagato had White hair? which turned from black just before his death? shouldn't it be black?
Nagato died with white hair. We saw him die exhausted and out of chakra, but it feels more like Kishi revives everyone the way he wants them to be revived. Either Kabuto improved the looks or Kishi had most of them revived unscathed and no damage from fights, if they were killed. Or maybe Kabuto really did perfect Edo Tensei and could revive anyone at any given time. Looks like he only chose to focus on Madara, since Nagato's only problem could be removed by Kabuto taking complete control, and some like Chiyo may have been useful whether old or new. Madara was Kabuto's trump card, so he probably gave Madara as much power as possible.
bigger question is why when nagato was live did he not absorb chakra and return to his younger self?
Last edited by darkprince0521; November 21, 2012 at 07:06 AM.
and i wonder if we will ever find out were kabuto got madaras DNA as Obito was shocked and wondered how he got his hands on it
I'm pretty sure that ET revives individuals in the state most desired by Kishi for whatever purpose he intends to use them for. I doubt that there are a set of rules that the ETs have been playing by when it comes to their summoning.