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Madara wipes the floor with The Alliance, Meteor no Jutsu style.
Obito decides to finally use his Rinnegan and Chou Shinra Tensei The Alliance
Ino controls the Juubi and makes it eat Madara and Obito
Sasuke crashes the party and every fangirl screams
Hinata reveals she's the mastermind behind the Juubi, and backstabs Naruto
Juubi & Co decide they are suddenly weaker and let the Alliance do their thing while standing still like robots
Juubi does NOT fire his Bijuuhameha at the Alliance and patiently waits until Kyuubi is ready to dance
Not because its Sharingan is something or he's weak, its because he was forced to swap eyes, otherwise he wouldn't be able to fight
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Also I distincly remember 2 Sharingan users who tamed the Kyuubi pretty easily, Sharingan has a lot of pretty crafty abilities that compensate his "lack" of firepower ( even though I distinctly remember Amaterasu burning a Bijuu ).
And no, Sasuke wouldn't be able to since, as I said to ninjabot, without Itachi's eyes he would be either blind or without eyes.
In an Arena kind of contest, with Sasuke at full power with MS, of course he has a lot of chances to defeat Naruto
The power was not easily handed to him. Sasuke had to train his entire life to even get close to his brothers level, nearly died fighting him, and then had to suffer the agony of knowing his brother was a decent man and actually loved him. He earned the damn thing.
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2) Even if he can use it, can he last long with it? The amount of chakra and life force it must consume should be extraordinary. The Kyuubi essentially gives Naruto an unlimited supply of chakra.
3) We are not talking about any old Biju. This the Kyuubi, who's Biju Dama is stronger than 6 Biju Dama from tailed beasts 2-7 combined.
4) Of course the Sharigan has other powers, but almost all of them come at a price or are situational. It is more a more diverse power EMS, but not a more powerful one.
5) Sasuke was not blind after he fought Danzou, Kakashi, and Naruto. Did his vision suck? O yes, it did, but he was not blind. At no point in this manga has he ever been blind aside from the moment when his eyes were removed in favor of Itachi's.
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sigh ... you get it wrong ... Jiraya couldn't master sage mode without special body ( Uzumaki , Senjo , Juggo body ) in 40 years but Naruto could master it with his special and strong body in only one week !!!! , even oro couldn't master it without Special body , So Naruto's Uzumaki body help him as well .. ........ the point of my post is that Naruto has his own blood line limit and if some one want to compare Sasuke and Naruto , he/she should compare Sasuke's sharingan with Naruto's uzumaki body not QB ....
Last edited by chilibun; November 30, 2012 at 11:31 AM.
This without considering the scroll's massive power-up
2) Search syx's beautiful post regarding Kakashi's chakra, stamina and chakra aren't issues anymore, Sasuke will be able to keep Susano'o activated for years, should the plot demand it
3) Said Kyuubi was Madara's and Obito's pet.
4) Sasuke's Sharingan can copy jutsus, anticipate movements, bind in a genjutsu, create hellish flames, create a stronger genjutsu and create a huge chakra construct capable of launching balls of unestinguishable flames.
The only things that come to a price are Izanami and Izanagi, and I doubt even Kishi would make jutsus that alter reality free of charge
5) He had the same kind of vision Itachi had when he fought Sasuke, and he was almost blind. Another fight and he would be blind half-way from it.
So Naruto having the Kyuubi isn't a plot event? Sasuke's Mangekyo isn't the only Mangekyo that made the user blind, it also happened to Madara and Itachi, meaning its something perfectly natural.
Using the plot as an excuse isn't gonna work, the issue was that someone said Sasuke earned his power ups, to which I answered that he didn't earn EMS just to name the most recent example and, without it, he would be blind
And I can remember Sasuke being as protected by the plots as Naruto is, without having an almighty Bijuu in his gut might I add
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if madara and obito aren't "the ones who know everything", then I can only think that the one who knows everything is kagami uchiha,it's the only way to bring him into the story,cause it would be nasty if new characters aware of all the events joined the manga out of the blue.
MADARA: I'M TIRED OF ALL OF YOU,
MASARA;mokuton kourin kajukai(the flower tree world), everyone is gone
Last edited by KiSwordsman; November 30, 2012 at 01:48 PM.
Kiba:" akamaru,sister, kuromaru (her sister's dog), let's merge! super 4heads-wolf!"
lee:" 6 gates! morning peacock"
Mifune:" samurai,try to do what I'm gonna do: multiple slices!"
and the job should be done,at least I think the alliance will slow down madara's technique,and prevent naruto from being affected by them. if that doesn't work,tenten can always use her nuclear bomb
Not trying to pick apart the post, just want to add my thoughts to it/against it if need be.
The beauty of their (Naruto & Sasuke) conflict (if it even comes to pass) is that they will have a difficult time with one another's maneuvers. It will not be a walk in teh park for Sasuke, and it will not be a walk in the park by Naruto. Kishimoto will find a way to make it interesting and clever. I think he's already been working on ways to make it interesting. If Amaterasu has a counter, Kishimoto will of course come up with it. I remember Jiraiya sealed the flames in Pt. 1 - who knows what can happen later with a new ability or something. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they fought and Naruto didn't have the kyuubi, as weird as that sounds. Though I think he will, and it will be a counter to that incredible susano'o jutsu.
Anyways, I just think there's nothing at all ordinary about Sasuke, Naruto, or Madara. They defy the 'logic' the manga dictates, which makes them the special outliers. They are the plot and the story (big, big parts, at least). Naruto *should* have been killed, but wasn't. IN fact, Naruto should've been easily captured. All Akatsuki had to do was say:
Pain: "Look. Kisame, Deidara, Sasori, Kakuzu, Hidan - I have a job for you. Konoha is sending the 9 tails jinchuuriki on assignments with Kakashi, the leftover Uchiha, and a girl with pink hair. Surely you can overwhelm them and take him with next to no struggle at all."
Kisame: "Then what will you do? We need the other bijuu."
Pain: "Don't worry about it. Konan's made 1,000 coloring books to keep him occupied."
I actually use a little imagion and at least pretend that Naruto was always watched by ANBU or Root as a little kid when he was say 7 years old or whatever. But... meh.
As for the body, We don't know if Jiraiya was a senju or not, but I almost think he was because while he couldn't perfect sage mode without ma/pa frog, he could still use natural energy with them and study them, and I think he had signfiicant chakra. Also... the frogs mentioned Minato being a sage, and he was not an Uzumaki & we don't know for certain if he was a senju (though I think he was since it's been mentioned that Tobirama also knew S/T jutsu, etc). What made naruto special was that he had considerable chakra, and was able to use kage bunshin to an extent (as long as Pa was able to whack out the statue transformation) to speed up the process. And... Naruto's just special.
IMO the sharingan is a part of Sasuke and for now the Kyuubi is a part of Naruto. If they win a fight or are saved because of it, no big deal to me. They are just fortunate while some other characters obviously aren't, and not everyone can be special characters in the story.
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Yeah - they sort of look like mountains a bit, but they are actually giant bamboo shoots that grow in the Toad kingdom. That isn't to say that they aren't HUGE, and bamboo shoots can push their way through stone so they are very tough. But yeah - they weren't mountains.Quote:
To be fair - quite a few of those early fights were NOT the Kyuubi 'saving' Naruto by any stretch. Rather, the 8 Trigram seal was designed to allow the Kyuubi's chakra to 'leak out' into Naruto. Over the years, it resulted in naruto having a much larger chakra capacity than most people - and when he taps into that 'mix' it shoots even higher. I don't think Haku or even Neji were the result of the Kyuubi 'helping' Naruto as much as it was Naruto tapping into that big chunk of chakra that was 'leaking' into him.Quote:
There were definitely times when Naruto had to get more from the Kyuubi directly - but I don't think it is fair to say that everything Naruto did before the time skip was the result of Kurama yanking his chestnuts out of the fire, any more than you could say that Sauske didn't really win any fights until after he got the Curse Seal. Does that mean Sauske only 'won' with Orochimaru 'helping' him? Of course not.
i dont know why people are complaining about power levels and shit this far into the manga. BOTH naruto and sasuke are op and built like tanks the reason people are complaining is cause sasukes not retarded like naruto. Lets look at the two characters:
Sharigan, MS, EMS
fast as fuck
uzumaki (potential for sealing techs)
If we look at both characters they've both got op powers and are pretty balanced so let me explain why youre pissed, NARUTO IS RETARDED!.
Kishi built naruto and sasuke to have the same amount of potential but naruto is a fuckin idiot, plain and simple. He has access to as many abilities as sasuke but kishi built him like a moron so he never uses them.
ever since the beginning of the manga weve seen sasuke busting his ass training so everytime he pulls out something new i dont care because i know at some point he waxed on and waxed off to earn that move.
Naruto, every time he learns something new or scratches the surface of new potential he simply rushes into a new fight and gets a new rasengan and im tired of that shit! He never trains, he simply jumps on the kyuubi and rides it to the finish line in nearly all of his fights.
Think about it, if naruto was using wind, sealing and other techs opposed to rasengan and kagebushin every two seconds we wouldnt be having this pointless argument about power levels at the end of the manga. If naruto used his head like sasuke did we wouldnt need to argue wed just be waiting for how epic the final fight would be.
People are complaining about pointless shit. Sasuke and the sharigan arent op theyre developed, if kishi decided to explore narutos talents (even off screen) wed have nothing to complain about but he doesnt. Naruto is under developed, plain and simple. He has the same, if not more potential but it was ignored, you cant blame sasuke for kishi making him more boss than the main character.
Both of them were thrown power ups, yes, but sasuke is the only character who made them his own and explored their possibilities which is why he has so many techs and variations.
Naruto is too simple minded, kishi tried to make naruto like goku, stupid but sweet, but goku was never stupid, he was socially retarded and made silly comments but overall his mind and battle prowess were unstoppable. Naruto is stupid on and off the battlefield which is why well never like him as much as sasuke or why hell never be epic as goku.
Look at it like this, sasuke is a character who bought a beat up car and FIXED EVERYTHING before he drives it, naruto is a character who takes off as soon as he gets the engine running
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and stop with the sharigan bs thats its op, it got beat by the hidden mist jutsu. thats like a c rank jutsu, it can be beat with skill and ingenuity dont get mad because some characters cant think outside the box and use something to hinder their vision. yes it does come with op moves but they go blind so its balanced perfectly
Last edited by Kid Chameleone; November 30, 2012 at 03:01 PM.