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If they can take down the whole gotei13 then they are at least 90% of CC strength. Perhaps both Yama and Bach were once Royal guards and Bach defected whereas Yama formed the Gotei 13.
Yama was part of a group (i think Juha (memory clone) said that) that kill all quincies 1000 years ago
i really think that 1000 or before the Quincy vs Shinigami 1000 years ago Royal Guards didn't exist and i really think that 1000 years ago some quincies infiltrated the Soul King's realm and after that Shingami vs Quincies 1000 years ago the group where Yama is part with become the RG and Yama created the G13 thinking that he will be the first line of defense if someone will attack the Soul King
i really think that Yama can be as powerful as a RG in 1 on 1 fight
Mangasteam translation, of course, suggests that he's the 30th Captain-Commander, though I'd certainly refrain from believing those translations, anyway (=
But who were these men that Bach looked down in a wicked way? Maybe they had subordinates even in that time.
And Mayuri knows about Bach's defection. Perhaps he was a pupil of one of the Royal Guards back then? Shutara?
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Was there a Captain-Commander? I suppose there wasn't. Gotei 13 was probably formed the way it is now about 1,000 years ago, maybe after Bach's escape.
Okay, I don't believe I'm the only one to have noticed this but the following rings true in my head.
Shunsui states that "Their combined power is greater than all of the Gotei 13 put together."
So what is the Gotei 13?
All the captains from the 1st to the 13th division.
All vice captains from the 1st to the 13th division.
All 3rd seats from the 1st to the 13th division.
All 4th seats from the 1st to the 13th divsion.
All 5th seats from the 1st to the 13th divison.
And onwards, including every single shinigami in Soul Society.
Now let me repeat that.
"Their combined power is greater than all of the Gotei 13 put together."
Notice the GREATER part.
This means Zero Divsion > SS.
Actually,there were other CC's,Yama-jii confirmed it when he said that the location of the Ouken(Soul Key)is passed verbally from one CC to another.So yeah,Yama-jii did form Gotei 13 1000 years ago,but beyond that there was another structure with Captain-Commanders.What kind of structure,however,is open to debate.Originally Posted by Hakuteiken
The power difference between a captain and a third-seat is unreal.
The power difference between a captain and a fourth-seat and onwards, is probably unmeasurable.
That's why there's no need to ponder on the all Gotei 13 thing, when the power inequality is like this:
12 Captains >>> Rest of the Gotei 13
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Roughly assuming that the three non-captains that has achieved ban-kai (Renji, Ikkaku and Sasakibe) and the rest of Gotei 13 combined would reach the power of two captains it would pretty much translate to: each of the ZD captains are accounting for the strength of more than 3 captains each.
Now, I'll try coming up with some math.
Let's assume every captain has a power coefficient of 1, except the seniors, who are roughly twice as powerful.
If we say the rest also totals a coefficient of 2, they total up to 17, and that would mean, every Royal Guard would have to be around 3,4 to make the evaluation correct.
That's about 1,7 senior captain by calculation.
Now, it looks like in a Shikai battle, Kyouraku and Ukitake could hold their own against Captain-Commander, because I'm assuming they weren't willing to die fighting a pointless battle, although there was no other option to go for.
Sure, Captain-Commander with Bankai was unreal, but we haven't seen a senior's Bankai yet. For a fair comparison considering experience, Sasakibe, who had at least the experience of senior captains or perhaps more than that, had an immensely powerful Bankai.
So, I will still refer to Captain-Commander as twice as strong as a senior captain for now.
That means the final coefficients will look like:
Royal Guards: Roughly around 3.4, some may be a bit stronger, some may be a bit weaker.
Senior captains Kyouraku, Ukitake and Unohana: 2
Other captains: 1
Rest of the Gotei 13: 2
I'm not sure if I have come up with something reasonable here, but I gave it a go.
And coming to the same conclusion it would likely mean that at least one of them is on par or stronger than CC and the rest just pretty much kickass anyway.
Although bringing myself back to reality and the fact that there is no regard as to what period in time Shunsui refers to. Is he talking about when Aizen was still captain? Or is it after Kensei and Rose have replaced the lost captains? Or is it actually the present? With the CC dead and most of SS in shambles this doesn't amount to even a slightly terrifying mass of power.
It will be interesting to see what comes up next. I mean, we only have these two last chapters to go by.
On the other hand, I initially thought this was about present with Captain-Commander gone, but with Kenpachi and Byakuya out of action also, plus, SS losing a massive number of Shinigami, that'd undermine the power Royal Guards possess. They'd roughly end up around senior captain level with all these losses taken into consideration.
I agree. We need more to elaborate on any theory.
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If 13 squads combine for a power of 6 captains, it's around half of a captain's strength for an entire squad. As I point out, even this may be a bit optimistic.
Nevertheless, assigning them a zero would be a bit too harsh (=